Why do people attack characters?

[Don L Duck]

I have been comparing the Roman Empire to the U.S. for years.
It's only a matter of time before it falls if it stays on it's present course.

Please try not to take this the wrong way but, I truly believe that ever since women joined the work force full time, that children are the ones that suffered the most.
There's just no one there to take care of them and teach them.

 

[mkt]

Don...

I can see where you're coming from, but please try to reword that... especially since I disagree with you as to your reasoning... as do most people

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by Don L Duck

Please try not to take this the wrong way but, I truly believe that ever since women joined the work force full time, that children are the ones that suffered the most.
There's just no one there to take care of them and teach them.

Alright, here's my opinion and rant based off this poster's opinion, whom i wholeheartedly dont agree with.....

I fault what has been masquereding around as parenting for the past 30 years and certain social elements of society who have decided to take it upon themselves totell me how to live my life rather than raising their own kids.

I also blame religion - for offending people so badly they're turned off by it. The moral majority movement turned off so many people who might have found values within religion.

I blame the republican party and the democratic party for allwoing everyone to feel like theyre a victim and that everyone is entitled to special treatment. I blame them for allowing the cities of America to turn into vast wastelands of the downtrodden with no real hope of ever escaping. The idea of a 1950s, white picket fence america only existed in Mayberry and leave it to beaver. That wasnt real society, yet lots of politicians seem to want to make that our society.

I blame men for teenage preganacies and not being responsible for unwanted pregancies.

I blame television and society for this WWF culture of solving our problems with a gun. Mass media, hollywood and television have left us with a society that is living as if theyre in the old west. Might as well blame Nascar and budweiser as well for the overabundance of ignorance and domestic violence in rual America.

I blame corporate america.... more for the rise of the cutthroat mentality as well as the corporate mentality thatteaches people that hard work is less important then covering one's ______.

I blame narrow minded people, who think that there are easy answers to a societal problem as complex this. While its easy to sit and lay the blame on one thing, the sad truth is that there are no simple answers to a society who is being raised to rithe in indulgences and pleasures, believeing they can have their cake and eat it too without concequence.

Well there are concequences to ever action. And thats not being taught. Not in the school and definetly not at home. While its easy to sit there and blame women enering the workforce, thats toatlly ed up. There are TWO parents whom both should be teaching values as well as right and wrong to little Johnnie and Suzie there. Actually parenting rather than sticking them in front of the television or the computer. The core values of a person start at home and that acchievable whether or not someone works or not.

Like i said, this is strictly my opinion and not meant to be a flame, rather as a thought out rant about the idea and what all is going wrong with our society.

 

[WDW1971]

Originally posted by mkt
Don...

I can see where you're coming from, but please try to reword that... especially since I disagree with you as to your reasoning... as do most people

I disagree with you mkt. Don is entitled to his opinion. He feels that children are better-raised by their parents. I happen to agree, to a certain extent. Unfortunately, my wife and I must both work while our son is in daycare. However, we take time to parent him when we're with him. We don't park him in front of the TV and let him do whatever he wants. We monitor what he watches and listens to.

Don doesn't have to reword anything if he doesn't choose to. And to say that most people disagree with him is absurd. On what do you base that knowledge? Did you personally take a poll? Most of the couples that I know that have children have a parent at home...and it's the mother in all cases. Personally, if we could afford it, I'd quit and keep my son. I get more fulfillment out of seeing him grow and learn than from making my boss richer.

 

[Don L Duck]

Maybe I should reword my opinon.
It's not the fault of women and the workforce but I believe it was the begining.
There are lots of other factors that are just to numerous to mention.
Here are just a few
lack of resonsibility for your own actions,
fast way to a buck... let sue everyone,
everything nowadays is considered harassment in some form.
Thats just to name a few.

 

[mkt]

When a glass screen is raising children and teaching them values, rather than a human being... that's my fundamental problem with society today..

 

[WDW1971]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Might as well blame Nascar and budweiser as well for the overabundance of ignorance and domestic violence in rual America.

Um...why does rural America always get blamed for everything? I grew up in a small town in southern Louisiana. I was raised in church and taught to respect my fellow man ("man" being mankind...just in case anyone thinks I'm a sexist). I was raised in a house with guns and never once did I think to solve my problems with one of them. Why? Well, maybe because my father taught me the proper use of a gun...for recreation ("plinking") and hunting (yes, we killed animals to eat). I happen to be a NASCAR fan and am offended that you automatically associate that with "ignorance and domestic violence". I have never, EVER struck my wife.

Sir, I ask you...have you ever lived in rural America? Am I to believe that there are no domestic violence cases in your general vicinity because you do not live in a rural area?

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by WDW1971
However, we take time to parent him when we're with him. We don't park him in front of the TV and let him do whatever he wants. We monitor what he watches and listens to.

Which, IMO, makes you good parents. Sets you apart from the rest of society who's too busy with their own status to pay attention to their kids.

Don doesn't have to reword anything if he doesn't choose to. And to say that most people disagree with him is absurd. On what do you base that knowledge? Did you personally take a poll? Most of the couples that I know that have children have a parent at home...and it's the mother in all cases. Personally, if we could afford it, I'd quit and keep my son. I get more fulfillment out of seeing him grow and learn than from making my boss richer.

And i diagree with you takeing personal Attacks on MKT. I dont think he was actually attacking Don, rather giving him friendly advice to avoid flaming someone, as opposed to what you've done.

There's a distinct difference to persusivly telling the advantages of having a stay at home parent rather than blaming the ills of society on women in the workforce. That is what was said and that is what i dont agree with. I think that it comes down to parents and parenting. And i dont see how whether a woman works or not changes her ability to parent any more than a man parenting. Just my 11 cents.....

 

[mkt]

if I'm correct, he also blamed corporate america, which is the controlling factor of urban and suburban america...

 

[Don L Duck]

There might not be one simple answer to societies problems, but we are talking about people abusing characters.

Not society as a whole and I believe that lack of respect is at fault,and who was and still is better to teach you to respect other people and thier property better than mom.

She was and is the one with the loving and nuturing quality that most men just don't have.

That's what I am talking about.....................

 

[TiggersPooh]

ok I accidently stepped on Launchpads foot when I first went in 93...I felt so bad and I still do!


LOL

Im not joking i felt so bad (I was 7) I was like whoa Im horrible

so when people attach characters OMG ________________

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by WDW1971
Um...why does rural America always get blamed for everything? I grew up in a small town in southern Louisiana. I was raised in church and taught to respect my fellow man ("man" being mankind...just in case anyone thinks I'm a sexist). I was raised in a house with guns and never once did I think to solve my problems with one of them. Why? Well, maybe because my father taught me the proper use of a gun...for recreation ("plinking") and hunting (yes, we killed animals to eat). I happen to be a NASCAR fan and am offended that you automatically associate that with "ignorance and domestic violence". I have never, EVER struck my wife.

Sir, I ask you...have you ever lived in rural America? Am I to believe that there are no domestic violence cases in your general vicinity because you do not live in a rural area?

Actually, i do live there. If you're taking personal offence to my opinion, well then i suggest you relax some. I'm not blaming rual america at all, I think the cultural impact of alcohol and the culture that coincides with NASCAR i believe was my point. Seemed rather clear when i typed it.

I have nothing guns, I have noting against hunting for food.

What i do have things against are narrow minded people, people who think that there are simple answers to everything and knee-jerk reactionaries.

 

[Don L Duck]

I am far from narrow minded and I did reword my opinon.

I know there is more than meets the eye to the problems of the world as a whole but as I stated later I believe it was the begining of things to come not the reason.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I never said you were narrowminded..... I think that the concept of blaming society's ills on Women in the workplace is narrowminded.

Its a subtle distinction, its not you rather its the concept that you proposed.

 

[careship]

Will have to put my comments in....

I'm not sure of the gender of those having this conversation, but I am female.

I am a mom of 2 boys which isn't easy.

I stay at home for a reason. I want to be here for my kids whenever they need me. I have my kids in Catholic school so that the values that are in our home are continued through the day when I am not with them. My husband works 2 jobs so that I can be home. But he also makes sure that while he isn't home alot during the week, the weekends are spent as family time only.

It isn't 2 working parent families that are the cause to any of this. There is no simple answer.

I will state though, that from what I have encountered as a parent with other children and parents, it's the parents who let their kids do whatever and try to be their friend instead of their parent that seems to me have more wild children. This is only my observation. My kids play hockey with kids from public school. I don't see a difference between public school and private school kids either. The way they behave in school is extraordinarily different here though. It's still the parent who doesn't seem to care what their kids do, say or watch on TV that have the kids around here that are more apt to be naughty.

My mother always said, their are no bad kids, only bad parenting skills. Which meant even the parent may not be a bad person, but the parents parenting skills suck.

 

[MouseMadness]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Actually, i do live there. If you're taking personal offence to my opinion, well then i suggest you relax some. I'm not blaming rual america at all, I think the cultural impact of alcohol and the culture that coincides with NASCAR i believe was my point. Seemed rather clear when i typed it.

I have nothing guns, I have noting against hunting for food.

What i do have things against are narrow minded people, people who think that there are simple answers to everything and knee-jerk reactionaries.

*jerks knees*

Dave, do us all a favor and shut it. You know what? Stereotyping works in more ways than one. Hey, my husband likes NASCAR... and Budweiser beer! And wonder of wonders, he's never laid a hand on me! He has gradated from medical school... putting him in the top 1% education level of everybody in the whole country. Hmmm, gee, that doesn't make any sense, does it? Surely one can't like NASCAR and Budweiser AND be a nonviolent, intelligent, well educated person. And my kids have never beat up on a character! Yes, four children.... the ones I gave birth to between the time I was just shy of 19 years old and almost 26 years old. So I must be too stupid to know how to keep from having kids, right? Why don't you learn to check yourself for narrow-mindedness and stereotyping before being so quick to seek it out in others. And don't try to duck out of this... we all read what you wrote. Oh, and accuse me of flaming if you'd like... I don't care... I can't let this go unanswered.

 

[WDWFREAK53]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Actually, i do live there. If you're taking personal offence to my opinion, well then i suggest you relax some. I'm not blaming rual america at all, I think the cultural impact of alcohol and the culture that coincides with NASCAR i believe was my point. Seemed rather clear when i typed it.

I have nothing guns, I have noting against hunting for food.

What i do have things against are narrow minded people, people who think that there are simple answers to everything and knee-jerk reactionaries.

Ummm...Dave...

Get the keyboard off of the soundsystem....

 

[Mary Poppins]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
I also blame religion - for offending people so badly they're turned off by it. The moral majority movement turned off so many people who might have found values within religion.

So, what you're saying is religion is to blame because people stay away from it since it has become so offensive? I was raised non-religious and am still non-religious. Yet, I still seem to know the difference between right and wrong better than some people who were raised in the church. To say that a person only has values because they have found religion is a bit one sided.

 

[Don L Duck]

I think you are all missing my point.

I am not saying women and working are directly responsible,but that since they started working full time it has put a definite strain on that so called nuclear family.
Let's face it when kids were growing up before the 70's they all knew mom was going to be home when they came home from school,there was something comforting about that .
Now it's like no one is there and maybe they feel that ,well no one is here to care about me why should I care about any one else.

Try to think like a kid for one minute and not an adult ,and by the way and I am far from being that age. Think about how their perception of home life has changed as to what they see on some television programs.

Anyway I will say that this is very refreshing, Its great learning about what's on other people's mind's, sure beats talking about Disney stuff all the time.

NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT

 

[General Grizz]

Originally posted by RobVanDam
Grizz ( :lol: just kidding buddy) but still , why hit them?

I'll deal with YOU later... :animwink:

Okay...don't kill me or anything here...don't mean to cause conflict - but, as for the teenage level (that Rob mentioned) or early adult male, usually Disney seems a little bit too "happy" for them. Many teenagers wouldn't want to be CAUGHT in Disney World. And seeing such joyous characters does not create a good impression on them! :lol: (Kinda like waking up in the morning and seeing something full of energy bouncing around you...) :lookaroun