Where in the World Isn't Bob Saget?

Songbird76

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So sorry to read this - I hope she recovers both emotionally and physically. I know that here there is a particular “drink” women can order at a bar which is code for them feeling unsafe/harassed by another customer and the bar makes sure she can get home safely.
Yeah, I've seen different things about code words, or other ways to let the bartender know you don't feel safe. And I read somewhere about bathrooms having posters up with a number to call and someone will escort you to your car. I'm not sure any of it would have helped in this case, just because the guy wasn't deterred by the 2 girls who followed her out. He just attacked them, too. It's just so sad and scary. She did everything right. She didn't accept drinks from him, she was polite and didn't do anything to make him angry, nor did she lead him on. I don't know what more she could have done. I feel like him giving her his wallet and going to the bathroom was a ploy all along, because she wasn't accepting drinks from him. He probably knew she wasn't going to order drinks like he told her to. I think it was just so he could accuse her of stealing, and he made a scene just to get kicked out so she would be alone. And if that WAS his plan, it probably wasn't the first time he's done this. I just can't believe the bar employees didn't see it. They must be used to seeing guys hitting on girls who aren't receptive...why wouldn't they keep an eye on that kind of a thing. Wouldn't alarm bells be going off in your head if you saw a girl refusing drinks from a guy the whole night and suddenly he's accusing her of stealing? If I saw that, I'd be going to the girl, asking if she was ok and if she needed anything. And I'd probably be telling the guy to call the police if he thought someone stole from him. It just seems like an obvious ploy to me.
 

Songbird76

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Not sure that is the name here but it does remind me that I should make sure my daughter knows (though bars here being really expensive most young adults drink in parks or at home hanging out with friends)
What is the drinking age there? It used to be 16 here for beer and wine, but they changed it to 18 a few years ago. But E isn't into alcohol anyway. She and her friends generally don't go to bars. They go to one of the friend group's house and watch movies or play games, and they all bring some sort of snack to share. There parties revolve mostly around food, though there usually is alcohol there now that most of them are 18. E said at one of the last "parties" they had...maybe Halloween? one of the guys who is the biggest drinker went around to each one of the kids who DIDN'T drink and asked them why they don't. Not to be a jerk or anything. He was just curious. And when they answered, he'd just say "Oh, that's cool." and that was it. He actually had two birthday parties. One with alcohol for his drinking friends and one without for those who don't drink. The last few parties have been at Dimphy's house, and she only lives on the next street over, but her friends won't let her walk home alone, even for that one block. They always have a whole group to escort her, and one of the guys is like a Dutch champion in karate or something and he has done all sorts of survival trainings, so he can kick some tail if anything happened. Now that she's at University, I worry a bit more, because she goes by bus and train and there are some weird sorts sometimes.
 

Songbird76

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Wow. That is sooo freakin’ messed up on so many levels, that I don’t even really know where to begin.
So, off the top of my head, I’ll just leave it at the below…
If something similar happened to one of the women or young ladies in my life, I’m not exactly sure how I would handle the shear rage I would be experiencing.
I’m not totally sure how the justice system works in your country, but if that sack of excrement isn’t locked up for a very, very long time they’re doing it wrong.
Finally, and most importantly, I hope and pray that your friends daughter, and the other two young ladies, recover both physically and emotionally as well as possible, and never have to go through anything like that ever again.
All the prayers the world can spare for all of them.
Thank you. This happened in Wyoming, so it's in the US. This girl is the daughter of one of the women who was in choir with me at college. Her dad worked with my husband and me at Walmart when we lived there. As a mother, that's probably one of my worst nightmares. And my friend said that she couldn't get there, because she lives in Cheyenne and this happened in Laramie, and it had just stormed and the roads were closed. So she ended up having to call a friend who lives in Laramie at 2 in the morning and asking her to go to the hospital to be with Em, because she couldn't get there. I can't even imagine how that felt....to not be able to get to your child who is in the hospital. Horrifying.
 

Swissmiss

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What is the drinking age there? It used to be 16 here for beer and wine, but they changed it to 18 a few years ago. But E isn't into alcohol anyway. She and her friends generally don't go to bars. They go to one of the friend group's house and watch movies or play games, and they all bring some sort of snack to share. There parties revolve mostly around food, though there usually is alcohol there now that most of them are 18. E said at one of the last "parties" they had...maybe Halloween? one of the guys who is the biggest drinker went around to each one of the kids who DIDN'T drink and asked them why they don't. Not to be a jerk or anything. He was just curious. And when they answered, he'd just say "Oh, that's cool." and that was it. He actually had two birthday parties. One with alcohol for his drinking friends and one without for those who don't drink. The last few parties have been at Dimphy's house, and she only lives on the next street over, but her friends won't let her walk home alone, even for that one block. They always have a whole group to escort her, and one of the guys is like a Dutch champion in karate or something and he has done all sorts of survival trainings, so he can kick some tail if anything happened. Now that she's at University, I worry a bit more, because she goes by bus and train and there are some weird sorts sometimes.

It is still 16 for beer and wine, 18 for other alcohol. That being said, one of the two main grocery chains will not sell beer and wine to under 18 yo (the other one technically doesn’t sell alcohol at all … but owns another store that does and is always conveniently located next to it 🙄. I am not sure what their policy is). My daughter drank more when she was a younger teen (15-17) and I was always very nervous about it. Now it is an occasional beer or when she is at a family gathering with her BF, but since he stays sober when they are out I worry less.
 
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Songbird76

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It is still 16 for beer and wine, 18 for other alcohol. That being said, one of the two main grocery chains will not sell beer and wine to under 18 yo (the other one technically doesn’t sell alcohol at all … but owns another store that does and is always conveniently located next to it 🙄. I am not sure what their policy is). My daughter drank more when she was a younger teen (15-17) and I was always very nervous about it. Now it is an occasional beer or when she is at a family gathering with her BF, but since he stays sober when they are out I worry less.
Sometimes I think my daughter has never actually been a teen. She never went through a rebellious stage, or the "I hate you" stage. We've always been super close. She likes to smell the drinks, but she's not really a taster. Her friends laugh because she always asks if she can smell their drinks, but she never wants to taste them. She likes a tiny bit of baileys in her hot chocolate, but if there's too much, she doesn't like it. I've always preferred weak drinks, too.
 

donaldtoo

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Nope -- I was out hiking in the snow-packed woods in a conservation area, at the time it hit the ocean -- up in the York, Maine area. Heard that some people down the coast, a few as far as PA felt "something" -- nothing dramatic as it was fairly low (final figure was 3.8) on the Rickter Scale.

We experienced a few small earthquakes when we lived in No Cal from ‘68-‘76.
I remember being awakened by one about 3a one morning.
The strongest one was a 3.2, IIRC…? 🤔
We were off from school because it was a parent-teacher conference day. We were at a friend’s house across the street, sitting on their driveway and playing a game.
All of a sudden we felt the driveway kinda’ moving. Their garage door was open and there were a bunch yard tools, etc., hanging on the wall that then began to move and make noise.
It only lasted 10 seconds or so, and was pretty much over about the time we realized what was actually going on.
Right after it ended, I remember my friends mom opening the door to the garage, with a panicked look on her face, and asking “Was that what I think it was…?!” We just kinda’ nodded our heads yes.
Our Mom never felt it, as she was in the car on the way to the school.
Later that evening on the news, it turns out the epicenter was close to our neighborhood and it was relatively shallow, so that’s why we got the movement we did.
We even used to have earthquake drills at school.
The whole time we lived there, it seemed like some “expert” was predicting “the big one” (8+) about every 6 months, with at least 2 saying all of California west of the San Andreas Fault could slide into the Pacific…!!!!! :hilarious: It actually became a running joke.
They’ve had at least 2 much larger ones since…the Loma Prieta quake of ‘89 and the Northridge quake of ‘94…but no sliding, so far. ;)
Unfortunately, they’re probably due for another larger one.
 

donaldtoo

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I'll be hoping the Eagles win, but I would prefer if both teams lose. I was very much hoping for a Commanders/Bills Super Bowl, and did not get any part of my wish.

I’ve got no dog in this Superb Owl ;) fight, but both QBs are from Texas, so I’m good there. Ultimately, I like Philly less than KC, so I’ll be rooting for KC.
 

donaldtoo

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Unfortunately, Taylor Swift has a "house" in my state so we have to hear of her regardless of American football

I Googled because I knew she had to have more real estate…
She also has properties in Tennessee, California and New York City. I really thought she might have a house in all 50 states, and several countries, by now…!!!!! 🤪 :hilarious:
My sincerest condolences to the folks in those unfortunate states…!!!!! 😞 😁😅:angelic:;)
 
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donaldtoo

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Yeah, I've seen different things about code words, or other ways to let the bartender know you don't feel safe. And I read somewhere about bathrooms having posters up with a number to call and someone will escort you to your car. I'm not sure any of it would have helped in this case, just because the guy wasn't deterred by the 2 girls who followed her out. He just attacked them, too. It's just so sad and scary. She did everything right. She didn't accept drinks from him, she was polite and didn't do anything to make him angry, nor did she lead him on. I don't know what more she could have done. I feel like him giving her his wallet and going to the bathroom was a ploy all along, because she wasn't accepting drinks from him. He probably knew she wasn't going to order drinks like he told her to. I think it was just so he could accuse her of stealing, and he made a scene just to get kicked out so she would be alone. And if that WAS his plan, it probably wasn't the first time he's done this. I just can't believe the bar employees didn't see it. They must be used to seeing guys hitting on girls who aren't receptive...why wouldn't they keep an eye on that kind of a thing. Wouldn't alarm bells be going off in your head if you saw a girl refusing drinks from a guy the whole night and suddenly he's accusing her of stealing? If I saw that, I'd be going to the girl, asking if she was ok and if she needed anything. And I'd probably be telling the guy to call the police if he thought someone stole from him. It just seems like an obvious ploy to me.

Yep, I had no doubt he set her up from the info in your first post, especially after she rejected him.
Only psychopaths take rejection to that sick point.
I was a young man once, and myself and my buddies went to bars and dance clubs often.
We approached women (and they sometimes even approached us), but rejection was rejection and you took it like a true, decent man and moved on.
Obviously, this dude has a major mental malfunction.
 

donaldtoo

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Thank you. This happened in Wyoming, so it's in the US. This girl is the daughter of one of the women who was in choir with me at college. Her dad worked with my husband and me at Walmart when we lived there. As a mother, that's probably one of my worst nightmares. And my friend said that she couldn't get there, because she lives in Cheyenne and this happened in Laramie, and it had just stormed and the roads were closed. So she ended up having to call a friend who lives in Laramie at 2 in the morning and asking her to go to the hospital to be with Em, because she couldn't get there. I can't even imagine how that felt....to not be able to get to your child who is in the hospital. Horrifying.

Well, unfortunately, that makes more sense, regarding the state of things here these days.
Either way, I hope the prosecutor in this case chucks that pile of carp away for a looooong time.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
I’ve only ever felt one earthquake … but I really felt it. September 25, 1998 - Google variously describes it as either 5.2 or 5.4 with the epicentre in Pyntanung, PA.

I was driving home from work and my car literally shifted sideways on the highway. It was terrifying because my brain was fighting with reality - cars don’t move laterally, and yet for a second or two, mine did. Not a swerve like a wind gust … literal sideways movement.

Earthquakes happen multiple times per day across the country, but they’re imperceptible - detectable by sensitive seismic-measuring equipment only.

Earthquakes aren’t really something Canadians worry too much about. Except for reports of one death in an earthquake in Montreal in 1732, nobody has ever been killed by a quake in Canada.
 

JenniferS

When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
We’re having a doozy of a storm right now. Took Daisy out for a quick pee, and the weather is fit for neither man nor beast.

It’s actually been snowing on and off (mostly on) since last night, with intermittent squalls and heavy drifting. It was so windy last night that I finally broke down and went to turn on the heat. Turns out that the Super has to turn on the rads in each apartment every year. I regretfully called him just before 9pm. I could have sucked it up and just piled on the blankies, but I have a teeny tiny dog and two kitties to worry about.

Dave was actually a good sport about it. I asked him if I was the last person in the building (58 apartments) to activate their heat, and he laughed and said, “By months!”
 

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