Where in the World is Bob Saget?

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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
We try to bring new hires in at 1 to 5 years experience and in elementary minus Math and Science Middle School teachers, we try to hire before a masters. Cheaper new hires. I can't think of any 15 to 20 year teacher we ever, ever hired. We don't want to take on that salary burden and they don't want to loose their seniority they have in their district.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I met my father for dinner and I am still confused by this logic:

It is my fault that I am not in contact with my half sister.

I have asked for her number from him only to get, "Um I don't have it memorized. I need to look for it." He has my cell phone, he can give it to her. Has she asked for it? I have no clue. I tried Facebook for both her and her daughter. What else am I supposed to do? I tried on my end.
There is only so much you can do. Do what it takes to make you content that you tried.



I understand your plight (not directly, but I do understand...)

Good luck!
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Off to work, but thought I'd share this, in case I don't make it online until the evening.

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Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
All due respect, but tenure shouldn't exist. You produce, or you don't produce.

That being said...I have been a teacher, and I get how politics can impact and limit good teachers, and they need something like tenure to defend their positions and contributions (excellent, on average) to society.

Tenure is a double edge sword. It is something to hide behind for bad teachers and is something that holds great teachers down. I know a few of our principals in a heartbeat that would blackball some of our good high end teachers as they hit the top of the pay scale to loosen their budgets. It protects career teachers devoted to educating students. The sad thing is it is very hard to unseat a bad teacher, the steps are daunting.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Blah! I don't get messing with programs that are not broken and humming along. I have found as a BOE member that Administration offers up to the Alter Music Programs quicker than any other activity or athletic program. I've sat and for budget preview sessions where administration brings to the table cuts to music and big increases for athletics. Music always has a higher co-pay, funding from parent/boosters than anything we offer. But historically music takes big hits when budgets get sliced and diced so quitting is so risky when giving up tenure.

Worst was when at a PTO meeting I was attending the Principal announced to the dismay of parents that there would not be a Spring Musical, that there was no funding in the budget for it this year by the board. At my instance when we built that budget in the Spring I asked for separate line items for the Musical because the Principal found ways to stick his fingers in the Musical budget and hard to track those expenses. He must have not made the correlation that I was sitting at the PTO round table as I was both a board member but a very active parent. I bit my tongue and said nothing but blindsided the jerk at a BOE the next night. He tried to defend that there were BETTER things to spend that money on like tutoring, field trips, etc. Musical went on as budget for. I was so angry.
When was this PTO meeting?

Here's the thing I found when I was (admittedly not a BoE member) but working with BoE and frankly government people in general.

The term "budget" is a joke to them. It's used as an excuse when they want to do something, and since they are never held accountable to it, it's the eternal excuse to push whatever their own pet project is. Either it was done due to political means, or it wasn't done due to political means...all of which are "magically" out of their control.

I would never make it on a BoE, because the first thing I would require of every "highly" education "principal" is that they submit to me the years budget, in detail. Starting with facility expenditures and ending with, what I would term, "fluff" (staff rewards, incentive programs, etc.)...

I doubt most Principals spend more than a few hours on such concerns. Rather, their role...as they have grown to see it, is to deflect negative attention from themselves (for their own advancement) and to reflect any negative attention back to the board/county/big blob of "not enough money"...

It really makes me want to puke, as the only ones who suffer from this sort of weak leadership (and it's all over) are the children.

Hey, if you want to turn your business from a cheetah to a sloth, that is your prerogative. But, if you want to do so at the expense of children's development?

Yeah...it makes me sick.

(note, I use the proverbial you, not YOU @Gabe1)
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Where? Not here. They are district contracts not state contracts. Each school district sets their own contracts and each new hire starts from year 1 hire and isn't tenured until the first day of their 4th year. Transfer districts you start at year 1 again.

Their pay scale does transfer though for years of service.
That may be what I was thinking of...I've dealt largely with TRS.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
We try to bring new hires in at 1 to 5 years experience and in elementary minus Math and Science Middle School teachers, we try to hire before a masters. Cheaper new hires. I can't think of any 15 to 20 year teacher we ever, ever hired. We don't want to take on that salary burden and they don't want to loose their seniority they have in their district.
It's interesting you say that.

When my grandfather retired from teaching college (the third time) and moved to Augusta, he was looking for a part time job.

He wanted to teach high school, but none of the local districts would hire him.

Due to his triple doctorates, masters and undergrad degrees, they'd have to pay him 60k to be a janitor, if he applied for that job, in the mid-90s, according to him.

I used to think he was joking.

Pay for educators should not be based on their level of education. Frankly, pay in general should not.

Results are what matters, results are what should be measured. Period.

Bill Gates is not qualified to teach in a US High School. However, someone who got an online degree from Pheonix University can.

That...is trope, but it does afford some humorous insight into how screwed up our educational system is.

My personal belief...no one who has a degree in "education" should be allowed to teach beyond the 6th grade year. From that point forward, if you don't have a specialized degree, or equivalent professional experience, you should not be teaching any subject.

Period.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Googling that brought up nothing but an unconfirmed Reddit thraed, so do you have a source for that? It's interesting if true, but it still looks crappy IMO.

And how did I never notice the difference in the "s" until today. Now it's bugging me.
Yes, though it's personal experience. The same people who did their logo design did the work for a company I contract with and I was present during their pitch to that company. The logo design for Lowe's was part of their dog and pony, and that point was something they brought up.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Tenure is a double edge sword. It is something to hide behind for bad teachers and is something that holds great teachers down. I know a few of our principals in a heartbeat that would blackball some of our good high end teachers as they hit the top of the pay scale to loosen their budgets. It protects career teachers devoted to educating students. The sad thing is it is very hard to unseat a bad teacher, the steps are daunting.
A very well put description of the issue. But, the last line is most telling, and most apt, the middle bolded is quite accurate.

I could not play that game.

How you do, is beyond me, and I salute you for it. It's all politics and BS...

I don't know how you put up with it to fight to good fight, but I applaud that you do!

Me? I'd go Gordon Ramsey on them at some point...

 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
And you can't tell me that the dead look in that young chef's eyes isn't the same look you get when you confront a young teacher...and that sheltered look you get from the lady who runs it...isn't the same snake look you get from some principals...

I couldn't do it!

Hats off you!
 

Zweiland

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Yes, though it's personal experience. The same people who did their logo design did the work for a company I contract with and I was present during their pitch to that company. The logo design for Lowe's was part of their dog and pony, and that point was something they brought up.
Wow, it's amazing that I can post something seemingly random here and get an answer within an hour. Thanks.

Also, my life has changed and I will never be able to look at the logo without cringing again.
 

englanddg

One Little Spark...
I'll give you an example of how stupid honoring "education" over "ability" is...

A practical example.

When I worked for the federal government, years ago, on a military network, we got hit by the Chinese often.

The guy who ran it all was a GS-13...how did he get his GS-13? Well, he met, among other things, the educational requirements.

He was quite proud of his education, insisting that he be called "Doctor"...

Because he had a doctorate.

He chewed me out one day, because I called him Mr.

NO... HE HAS A DOCTORATE!!!

In...Theology.

He's over IT for a rather large region, but, he should be referred to as Doctor...because he has a Doctorate in friggin THEOLOGY!

Think about that for a few minutes.

Then realize that if you have to rely upon your certifications alone to justify your performance or your position, than you probably cannot perform.
 
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