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What's with the wait times!? (hint.. they're low)

Disney Irish

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That’s what I said at what point.... this summer with the lighter crowds a few cut shows and 1 track on the autopia and limited monorail hours weren’t too big of a deal..... but now more entertainment had been cut.... and then????

And of course we don’t really know what the situation is with maintenance... who can say how many hours have gotten cut in that department?
I mean we had #thanksShanghai cuts and all the doom and gloomers came out and said it was the start of the train to Pressler town. And yet it never happened. It passed, the cuts were reverted, and everyone basically forgot about it and moved onto the next topic.

This too will pass. And if it doesn't, as I said the market will correct it. But you like to play the "what if" game to the extreme. Ok, lets really play it out.

Crowds don't come back, so further cuts across the board at DLR. All entertainment is cut, all shows get cut. All attractions now open 2 hours late and close two hours early. All M&Gs are limited to twice daily with 5 hour waits. All maintenance is put onto yearly cycles now, meaning no more 3rd shift checks of any of the attractions more than once a year. An incident happens like BTMRR and a guest gets killed. CalOSHA gets brought in and its discovered its due to lack of maintenance, there is a very public trial because there is no settling this as the family wants to make an example out of Disney. There is public outcry, Disney is legally forced to bring back all 3rd shift checks of all attractions. All is right with the world again.

Point is even if the extreme happens the market will right everything. Because I didn't even talk about Wall Street. Long before a lot of the above would have happened Disney stock would have taken a huge hit. Iger would have been questioned on why its happening as we live in a 24 news cycle world and they would have corrected all of it. So long story short this is a short term thing that will correct itself out over the course of the next year. Entertainment will come back, as will future projects.
 

TrainChasers

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But you like to play the "what if" game to the extreme
Umm no. I’m not asking what if... I’m saying at what point would you rather have larger crowds and a better park?

At what point do the cuts become great enough that you don’t enjoy the empty parks as much?
 

Disney Irish

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Umm no. I’m not asking what if... I’m saying at what point would you rather have larger crowds and a better park?

At what point do the cuts become great enough that you don’t enjoy the empty parks as much?
Then you should have stated it that way from the beginning instead of being so vague.... ;):p

Anyways, that is going to be a very personal question for each individual to answer. What is important to one isn't important to another. If all entertainment gets cut for example, that is going to affect someone who comes primarily for the entertainment. Versus someone who couldn't careless about parades and other entertainment and wants only to go on the attractions and eat the food.

Basically the answer you're after is the point at which the cuts affect all part of park operations equally to affect all guests equally. Which goes back to my post above, the market will correct it if that ever happens.

For now lets just enjoy the lighter crowds as I suspect it won't be this way next summer.
 

TrainChasers

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and yes I agree with you 100%... it will be different for all people.

I don’t agree that entertainment will magically get hired back, that has not been the case so far.
 

Disney Irish

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That’s vague?
Yes, not as direct as this post:
At what point do the cuts become great enough that you don’t enjoy the empty parks as much?

and yes I agree with you 100%... it will be different for all people.

I don’t agree that entertainment will magically get hired back, that has not been the case so far.
We have a new parade debuting, which everyone seems to forget when talking about the entertainment cuts. So entertainment isn't being cut that much. Yes they've cut some things, but it takes a lot of CM to put together a parade. Anyways, will all that stuff cut come back in the future, maybe. But more likely they will create new entertainment offerings to replace what was cut.
 

BrianLo

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At what point does that tip though? If they cancel all live entertainment? If they start stagger opening entire lands? If they start closing restaurants randomly ala Paris? If they lay off enough mechanics that rides become deadly ala Big Thunder?
I'm not sure, Paris was a different (non-Disney owned) entity at the time run by a group that literally couldn't afford the place.

HKDL has survived far worse and the parks have largely still kept up their offerings.

I actually think some panic to invest will kick back in. Star Wars Days, pop up shows, ticket promos. You can only cut so much to make a quarter look rosier before you resort to other, consumer positive, tactics.


What I do think is the ticket pricing march is for the moment very halted.
 

TrainChasers

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We have a new parade debuting, which everyone seems to forget when talking about the entertainment cuts. So entertainment isn't being cut that much. Yes they've cut some things, but it takes a lot of CM to put together a parade. Anyways, will all that stuff cut come back in the future, maybe. But more likely they will create new entertainment offerings to replace what was cut.
Nobody is forgetting about the 1 day parade that is replacing the 1 day parade that the resort had. We also aren’t forgetting the same resort traditionally had 2 day parades and a night parade running daily.
 

Disney Irish

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Nobody is forgetting about the 1 day parade that is replacing the 1 day parade that the resort had. We also aren’t forgetting the same resort traditionally had 2 day parades and a night parade running daily.
And we still don’t know what they have planned for next summer. There had been rumors that PtN was going to be seasonal, until it got put on hold. Now with rumors of it being reworked coming up again we may yet see it back next summer. So again these cuts are all likely short term and either new or refurbed offerings will made available. As @BrianLo stated you can only cut so much for a single quarter to make it look good. It’s not a long term strategy, investment will happen again.
 

FRD714

Member
Been watching the wait times like a hawk for the past few weeks to get a sense of what to expect next week when we go. One thing I have noticed at DCA is Incredicoaster never gets above a 20 minute wait and usually hovers around the 10 minute mark. Odd for an E ticket at a park that offers only a handful. Does nobody care for that ride?
 

TROR

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Been watching the wait times like a hawk for the past few weeks to get a sense of what to expect next week when we go. One thing I have noticed at DCA is Incredicoaster never gets above a 20 minute wait and usually hovers around the 10 minute mark. Odd for an E ticket at a park that offers only a handful. Does nobody care for that ride?
California Screamin usually capped out at 25. It’s a very efficient ride.
 

drizgirl

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Been watching the wait times like a hawk for the past few weeks to get a sense of what to expect next week when we go. One thing I have noticed at DCA is Incredicoaster never gets above a 20 minute wait and usually hovers around the 10 minute mark. Odd for an E ticket at a park that offers only a handful. Does nobody care for that ride?
Not to worry. It's a great ride!
 

nesboy43

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Been watching the wait times like a hawk for the past few weeks to get a sense of what to expect next week when we go. One thing I have noticed at DCA is Incredicoaster never gets above a 20 minute wait and usually hovers around the 10 minute mark. Odd for an E ticket at a park that offers only a handful. Does nobody care for that ride?
It loads 2 trains at a time so is efficient.
 

BubbaQuest

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Been watching the wait times like a hawk for the past few weeks to get a sense of what to expect next week when we go. One thing I have noticed at DCA is Incredicoaster never gets above a 20 minute wait and usually hovers around the 10 minute mark. Odd for an E ticket at a park that offers only a handful. Does nobody care for that ride?
As others have mentioned, it's a very efficient roller coaster. With the dual loading trains (queuing 48 people at a time), the FastPass line rarely has people waiting so the standby is usually always moving. I have seen it swell to a 30-60 minute wait on busy summer days, but even then fast passes are usually readily available for a quick return time.
 

DanielBB8

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Except its not quite that simple. Yes as a business Disney wants the park packed. But at the same time they know that a packed park has the potential at lower overall revenue due to lower guest satisfaction. As higher gate clicks doesn't always equate to higher overall revenue. So its a balancing act.
A packed park won’t lower revenue. There’s no proof of that. Lower guest satisfaction won’t affect revenue. Disney already offers an experience above the competition. There’s a ready made market of customers. The balancing act is about how to manage costs with revenue to increase margins, thus the cut in entertainment and service that causes the lower guest satisfaction. More guests equals more revenue means more entertainment and future attractions thus more guest satisfaction.
 
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