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What's Still On and What's Now Off

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
We need to stop looking at calendar dates and look at actual milestones parks are going to open when:

1. Cases drop to a manageable level to allow contact tracing.

2. Widespread testing is implemented to allow us to know the penetrance of the disease

and one of the following:
3a. Smaller Venues (restaurants, stores, etc) have been open for 2-3 weeks and #1 continues to be the case.
3b. A highly affective treatment has been found and is widely available
3c. A vaccine is available

I used to think (with 3a) June was possible but we are still weeks away from making #2 a reality. Stop guessing dates, start crossing off milestones. On the bright side #1 is going to happen by June.
 

CastAStone

Moderately Well-Known Member
Premium Member
We need to stop looking at calendar dates and look at actual milestones parks are going to open when:

1. Cases drop to a manageable level to allow contact tracing.

2. Widespread testing is implemented to allow us to know the penetrance of the disease

and one of the following:
3a. Smaller Venues (restaurants, stores, etc) have been open for 2-3 weeks and #1 continues to be the case.
3b. A highly affective treatment has been found and is widely available
3c. A vaccine is available

I used to think (with 3a) June was possible but we are still weeks away from making #2 a reality. Stop guessing dates, start crossing off milestones. On the bright side #1 is going to happen by June.
All this except 3b takes care of everything by itself. And remains a reasonably likely possibility. We will know a LOT more about treatments in 4 weeks as a boatload of randomized, double blind, medium-to-large scale studies are due to come back in the next month.
 

EagleScout610

Premium Member
The parks will always be there waiting for us.

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CastAStone

Moderately Well-Known Member
Premium Member
"Researchers working around-the-clock describe a lack of a centralized national strategy, overlapping efforts, an array of small-scale trials that will not lead to definitive answers and no standards for how to prioritize efforts, what data to collect or how to share it to get to answers faster. "
indeed there’s also a lot of scrambling research, particularly in the US. The NIH should be leading and it isn’t. That article has a lot of information about the small trials ongoing but little about the big trials that are well designed.

thankfully there are other countries. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-what-we-know-about-the-most-touted-drugs-tested-for-covid-19/?amp=true
 

havoc315

Well-Known Member
We need to stop looking at calendar dates and look at actual milestones parks are going to open when:

1. Cases drop to a manageable level to allow contact tracing.

2. Widespread testing is implemented to allow us to know the penetrance of the disease

and one of the following:
3a. Smaller Venues (restaurants, stores, etc) have been open for 2-3 weeks and #1 continues to be the case.
3b. A highly affective treatment has been found and is widely available
3c. A vaccine is available

I used to think (with 3a) June was possible but we are still weeks away from making #2 a reality. Stop guessing dates, start crossing off milestones. On the bright side #1 is going to happen by June.

Excellent post. #1 should happen in many regions by June. UNLESS some places rush to re-open, and things quickly get worse.
 

jensenrick

Well-Known Member
We need to stop looking at calendar dates and look at actual milestones parks are going to open when:

1. Cases drop to a manageable level to allow contact tracing.

2. Widespread testing is implemented to allow us to know the penetrance of the disease

and one of the following:
3a. Smaller Venues (restaurants, stores, etc) have been open for 2-3 weeks and #1 continues to be the case.
3b. A highly affective treatment has been found and is widely available
3c. A vaccine is available

I used to think (with 3a) June was possible but we are still weeks away from making #2 a reality. Stop guessing dates, start crossing off milestones. On the bright side #1 is going to happen by June.

Weeks away from #2? What do you consider widespread?
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
Please stay on topic. The thread is not about drug trials, etc. Nor is about the same old argument about how do we save both lives and the economy - that argument is getting really old. And has been covered ad nauseum in another thread so please stop bringing it into multiple threads..

There are also other threads to discuss Covid-19/Coronavirus. Thank you.
 
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WDW Pro

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I now have multiple corroborating sources that have informed me of some specific things.

1) There is a worst-case scenario plan for WDW that is either developed or under development which prioritizes maintenance for the remainder of 2020 if the parks and resort are unable to reopen. This would see certain areas of the resort under much less upkeep in order to limit costs. This might also see many of the roads closed at WDW to public access.
2) Disney is currently in talks with the NBA to resume the NBA season / postseason with the players finishing all games at the ESPN complex. Details are being negotiated, and could fall through, but players would likely stay at Caribbean Beach Resort with Cayman, Sea Breeze, and Victory Way closed except to NBA and Disney vehicles. The aim would be to restart the NBA in late May to early June. Again, this could fall through, but it is being worked on and I believe some details have already begun to leak.
3) DeSantis has been in communication recently with Disney, Universal, IAAPA, etc, and is keen on getting the parks up and running as soon as safely possible. This is a marked departure from the approach the California government is taking. While Disneyland may remain closed for a long time, there is actually optimism that WDW may be able to reopen during the summer with intense restrictions and limitations.
4) The "Secure Circuit" protocol is still the preferred plan for reopening. Secure Circuit does the following:
  • Magic Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no theaters, no parades, no castle shows, no fireworks and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Magic Kingdom resorts reopen with strict distancing guidelines in place.
  • Monorails would not operate.
  • Ferries and boat transportation would operate with distancing in place.
  • Health checks would be introduced at every security checkpoint. This would include temperature checks and Q&A (including locations you have traveled to in the past 14 days).
  • Guests will have to sign additional legal forms clearing Disney of liability for potential exposure to COVID-19.
  • EPCOT will remain closed if other parks are able to reopen prior to September.
  • Hollywood Studios reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no fireworks, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Animal Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no Rivers of Light, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit. Maharajah Jungle Trek would remain closed, and no close encounters with any animals at any place in the park will be permitted. Details about Animal Kingdom are still being developed.
  • Transportation guidelines are still being developed.
  • Dining guidelines are still being developed.
  • No character meet and greets.
  • No character dining.
  • Water parks will not reopen while Secure Circuit is in place.
  • DVC details are still being developed.
  • Sanitation stations will be available throughout the parks, as well as directions on the ground to keep guests moving in proper directions for limited pedestrian crossing.
  • It is likely, though not officially determined, that masks will be a requirement for adults.
  • Magic Bands mandatory for all guests, fingerprints temporarily on hold.
  • Non-MK resorts are unlikely to reopen until Phase 2 begins (Secure Circuit is for Phase 1).
  • Disney is currently evaluating every single ride and queue to determine how and if it can operate with strict distancing guidelines. This includes determining how to move people through the queue in a safe manner even if virtual queue is in place for that particular ride. For example, even just moving through the queue of Pirates exposes guests to whatever guests passed through the queue 20 seconds prior.
  • Chapek ultimately makes the call on when to reopen and how, once DeSantis gives the green light... so while the protocols for Secure Circuit have been developed, there may be changes from the top.
  • What's on and what's off for future construction is now largely on how much and when Disney receives US government money, as well as the realities of the economy on the other side of this situation. Expect Disney to NOT announce cancellations of projects in 2020, but also for some projects to simply sit with no announcement. Disney is likely to be very bearish in 2020 until we get Q4 economic data.
Best regards - hope everyone is safe.
 
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jpeden

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
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[QUOTE/]

And for an update:

I now have multiple corroborating sources that have informed me of some specific things.

1) There is a worst-case scenario plan for WDW that is either developed or under development which prioritizes maintenance for the remainder of 2020 if the parks and resort are unable to reopen. This would see certain areas of the resort under much less upkeep in order to limit costs. This might also see many of the roads closed at WDW to public access.
2) Disney is currently in talks with the NBA to resume the NBA season / postseason with the players finishing all games at the ESPN complex. Details are being negotiated, and could fall through, but players would likely stay at Caribbean Beach Resort with Cayman, Sea Breeze, and Victory Way closed except to NBA and Disney vehicles. The aim would be to restart the NBA in late May to early June. Again, this could fall through, but it is being worked on and I believe some details have already begun to leak.
3) DeSantis has been in communication recently with Disney, Universal, IAAPA, etc, and is keen on getting the parks up and running as soon as safely possible. This is a marked departure from the approach the California government is taking. While Disneyland may remain closed for a long time, there is actually optimism that WDW may be able to reopen during the summer with intense restrictions and limitations.
4) The "Secure Circuit" protocol is still the preferred plan for reopening. Secure Circuit does the following:
  • Magic Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no theaters, no parades, no castle shows, no fireworks and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Magic Kingdom resorts reopen with strict distancing guidelines in place.
  • Monorails would not operate.
  • Ferries and boat transportation would operate with distancing in place.
  • Health checks would be introduced at every security checkpoint. This would include temperature checks and Q&A (including locations you have traveled to in the past 14 days).
  • Guests will have to sign additional legal forms clearing Disney of liability for potential exposure to COVID-19.
  • EPCOT will remain closed if other parks are able to reopen prior to September.
  • Hollywood Studios reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no fireworks, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Animal Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no Rivers of Light, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit. Maharajah Jungle Trek would remain closed, and no close encounters with any animals at any place in the park will be permitted. Details about Animal Kingdom are still being developed.
  • Transportation guidelines are still being developed.
  • Dining guidelines are still being developed.
  • No character meet and greets.
  • No character dining.
  • Water parks will not reopen while Secure Circuit is in place.
  • DVC details are still being developed.
  • Sanitation stations will be available throughout the parks, as well as directions on the ground to keep guests moving in proper directions for limited pedestrian crossing.
  • It is likely, though not officially determined, that masks will be a requirement for adults.
  • Magic Bands mandatory for all guests, fingerprints temporarily on hold.
  • Non-MK resorts are unlikely to reopen until Phase 2 begins (Secure Circuit is for Phase 1).
  • Disney is currently evaluating every single ride and queue to determine how and if it can operate with strict distancing guidelines. This includes determining how to move people through the queue in a safe manner even if virtual queue is in place for that particular ride. For example, even just moving through the queue of Pirates exposes guests to whatever guests passed through the queue 20 seconds prior.
  • Chapek ultimately makes the call on when to reopen and how, once DeSantis gives the green light... so while the protocols for Secure Circuit have been developed, there may be changes from the top.
  • What's on and what's off for future construction is now largely on how much and when Disney receives US government money, as well as the realities of the economy on the other side of this situation. Expect Disney to NOT announce cancellations of projects in 2020, but also for some projects to simply sit with no announcement. Disney is likely to be very bearish in 2020 until we get Q4 economic data.
Best regards - hope everyone is safe.
[/QUOTE]

I honestly wonder if people will pay to visit Disney in this scenario - especially without the characters, parades, and fireworks. For so many people, Disney is the nightly fireworks show. This will be very interesting if they're forced to go this way.
 
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TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
I now have multiple corroborating sources that have informed me of some specific things.

1) There is a worst-case scenario plan for WDW that is either developed or under development which prioritizes maintenance for the remainder of 2020 if the parks and resort are unable to reopen. This would see certain areas of the resort under much less upkeep in order to limit costs. This might also see many of the roads closed at WDW to public access.
2) Disney is currently in talks with the NBA to resume the NBA season / postseason with the players finishing all games at the ESPN complex. Details are being negotiated, and could fall through, but players would likely stay at Caribbean Beach Resort with Cayman, Sea Breeze, and Victory Way closed except to NBA and Disney vehicles. The aim would be to restart the NBA in late May to early June. Again, this could fall through, but it is being worked on and I believe some details have already begun to leak.
3) DeSantis has been in communication recently with Disney, Universal, IAAPA, etc, and is keen on getting the parks up and running as soon as safely possible. This is a marked departure from the approach the California government is taking. While Disneyland may remain closed for a long time, there is actually optimism that WDW may be able to reopen during the summer with intense restrictions and limitations.
4) The "Secure Circuit" protocol is still the preferred plan for reopening. Secure Circuit does the following:
  • Magic Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no theaters, no parades, no castle shows, no fireworks and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Magic Kingdom resorts reopen with strict distancing guidelines in place.
  • Monorails would not operate.
  • Ferries and boat transportation would operate with distancing in place.
  • Health checks would be introduced at every security checkpoint. This would include temperature checks and Q&A (including locations you have traveled to in the past 14 days).
  • Guests will have to sign additional legal forms clearing Disney of liability for potential exposure to COVID-19.
  • EPCOT will remain closed if other parks are able to reopen prior to September.
  • Hollywood Studios reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no fireworks, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit.
  • Animal Kingdom reopens with limited capacity, no indoor theaters, no parades, no Rivers of Light, and sanitized ride vehicles after every guest exit. Maharajah Jungle Trek would remain closed, and no close encounters with any animals at any place in the park will be permitted. Details about Animal Kingdom are still being developed.
  • Transportation guidelines are still being developed.
  • Dining guidelines are still being developed.
  • No character meet and greets.
  • No character dining.
  • Water parks will not reopen while Secure Circuit is in place.
  • DVC details are still being developed.
  • Sanitation stations will be available throughout the parks, as well as directions on the ground to keep guests moving in proper directions for limited pedestrian crossing.
  • It is likely, though not officially determined, that masks will be a requirement for adults.
  • Magic Bands mandatory for all guests, fingerprints temporarily on hold.
  • Non-MK resorts are unlikely to reopen until Phase 2 begins (Secure Circuit is for Phase 1).
  • Disney is currently evaluating every single ride and queue to determine how and if it can operate with strict distancing guidelines. This includes determining how to move people through the queue in a safe manner even if virtual queue is in place for that particular ride. For example, even just moving through the queue of Pirates exposes guests to whatever guests passed through the queue 20 seconds prior.
  • Chapek ultimately makes the call on when to reopen and how, once DeSantis gives the green light... so while the protocols for Secure Circuit have been developed, there may be changes from the top.
  • What's on and what's off for future construction is now largely on how much and when Disney receives US government money, as well as the realities of the economy on the other side of this situation. Expect Disney to NOT announce cancellations of projects in 2020, but also for some projects to simply sit with no announcement. Disney is likely to be very bearish in 2020 until we get Q4 economic data.
Best regards - hope everyone is safe.
[/QUOTE]

Thank you so much for this update. It all makes sense and will be very interesting now this all plays out. Obviously Disney opening in such a limited way will be interesting for a large variety of reasons... I feel bad for the number of cast members that won’t be coming back to work for a long time :-/
 
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Getachew

Well-Known Member
I honestly wonder if people will pay to visit Disney in this scenario - especially without the characters, parades, and fireworks. For so many people, Disney is the nightly fireworks show. This will be very interesting if they're forced to go this way.

Not a lot, I'm willing to bet. Magic Kingdom with so many restrictions is hardly "Magical". IMO, at least.
 

techgeek

Well-Known Member
I honestly wonder if people will pay to visit Disney in this scenario - especially without the characters, parades, and fireworks. For so many people, Disney is the nightly fireworks show. This will be very interesting if they're forced to go this way.

Curious how local AP’s are going to fit into this. Are they going to be relied on to be the guinea pigs, or brushed off and limited to favor very limited capacity for resort guests?
 

aladdin2007

Well-Known Member
Curious how local AP’s are going to fit into this. Are they going to be relied on to be the guinea pigs, or brushed off and limited to favor very limited capacity for resort guests?

this, and if magic bands are required as mentioned above as the only way, what if you dont have that?? we have the id cards.
 

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