What's Still On and What's Now Off

HauntedMansionFLA

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IF things being to reopen in June, operational changes will become apparent once the reopening is certain. So far as I know the new rules are still being discussed / under review / made up.

To be honest an educational guess says this date is an aspiration and is far from certain.
It would give them the chance to do away with the fast pass to keep the lines moving
 

EricsBiscuit

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IF things being to reopen in June, operational changes will become apparent once the reopening is certain. So far as I know the new rules are still being discussed / under review / made up.

To be honest an educational guess says this date is an aspiration and is far from certain.
June? I would expect a Memorial Day opening at the latest.
 

EricsBiscuit

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Why? I think it’s optimistic to think resorts and Disney springs will be open by Memorial Day. Maybe MK will be open by July 4.
Because life has to continue at some point. They can’t be closed forever, no matter how many unleveraged assets they have. As a business person, I just can’t see them remaining closed past the end of April. They can’t afford to pay their staff for doing nothing forever. It just makes no sense. So, they either reopen or furlough or fire everyone. Which, when you have 70K+ employees, becomes a nightmare when you do reopen. So either they reopen sooner, or they mothball everything and wait a year. My bet is sooner. They can’t afford to be indecisive.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Because life has to continue at some point. They can’t be closed forever, no matter how many unleveraged assets they have. As a business person, I just can’t see them remaining closed past the end of April. They can’t afford to pay their staff for doing nothing forever. It just makes no sense. So, they either reopen or furlough or fire everyone. Which, when you have 70K+ employees, becomes a nightmare when you do reopen. So either they reopen sooner, or they mothball everything and wait a year. My bet is sooner. They can’t afford to be indecisive.
The Walt Disney Company would not reopen with a chance of infection being caught on property.

Spring breakers can be immensely stupid. TWDC can not.
 

Lilofan

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Because life has to continue at some point. They can’t be closed forever, no matter how many unleveraged assets they have. As a business person, I just can’t see them remaining closed past the end of April. They can’t afford to pay their staff for doing nothing forever. It just makes no sense. So, they either reopen or furlough or fire everyone. Which, when you have 70K+ employees, becomes a nightmare when you do reopen. So either they reopen sooner, or they mothball everything and wait a year. My bet is sooner. They can’t afford to be indecisive.
Disney isn't the one to decide to reopen. Furlough and or lay off / not paying the cast past April 19 seems like a realistic option.
 

UNCgolf

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Because life has to continue at some point. They can’t be closed forever, no matter how many unleveraged assets they have. As a business person, I just can’t see them remaining closed past the end of April. They can’t afford to pay their staff for doing nothing forever. It just makes no sense. So, they either reopen or furlough or fire everyone. Which, when you have 70K+ employees, becomes a nightmare when you do reopen. So either they reopen sooner, or they mothball everything and wait a year. My bet is sooner. They can’t afford to be indecisive.

There's a 0% chance they are reopen at the beginning of May if infection numbers are still increasing or just at a very high level (and that's what most of the experts are projecting). Even if they wanted to (and they wouldn't, because as Martin said, even one person getting infected at WDW after it reopens is a big PR hit which could drive people away, and multiple infections gets close to a nightmare scenario), I don't think they'd be allowed to.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Disney isn't the one to decide to reopen. Furlough and or lay off / not paying the cast past April 19 seems like a realistic option.
Can cast volunteer to be laid off to collect unemployment with the understanding that they are terminated?? Take away their main gate and you would see a bunch head to the door.
 

phillip9698

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Because life has to continue at some point. They can’t be closed forever, no matter how many unleveraged assets they have. As a business person, I just can’t see them remaining closed past the end of April. They can’t afford to pay their staff for doing nothing forever. It just makes no sense. So, they either reopen or furlough or fire everyone. Which, when you have 70K+ employees, becomes a nightmare when you do reopen. So either they reopen sooner, or they mothball everything and wait a year. My bet is sooner. They can’t afford to be indecisive.

Life has continued for humans for 10s of thousands of years without Disney theme parks. They aren't necessary for survival. They won't open unless there is minimal risk the park becomes a super spreader no matter how long that takes.
 

EricsBiscuit

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The Walt Disney Company would not reopen with a chance of infection being caught on property.

Spring breakers can be immensely stupid. TWDC can not.
There's a 0% chance they are reopen at the beginning of May if infection numbers are still increasing or just at a very high level (and that's what most of the experts are projecting). Even if they wanted to (and they wouldn't, because as Martin said, even one person getting infected at WDW after it reopens is a big PR hit which could drive people away, and multiple infections gets close to a nightmare scenario), I don't think they'd be allowed to.
So this scenario where nobody gets infected after going to WDW is probably impossible until there is a vaccine in 12-18 months. That means WDW would be closed for a year at least. That is not possible. Many people probably got it from WDW and just don’t know it because they’re asymptomatic and haven’t been tested.
 

UNCgolf

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So this scenario where nobody gets infected after going to WDW is probably impossible until there is a vaccine in 12-18 months. That means WDW would be closed for a year at least. That is not possible. Many people probably got it from WDW and just don’t know it because they’re asymptomatic and haven’t been tested.

That's not what I said, though. We're talking about a scenario in which WDW opens while many other things are still closed and starts spreading infections (which would almost certainly be the case if it was open at the beginning of May).

I do think WDW will stay closed longer than most other places, though. Like you said, people are going to get infected at WDW, and it's going to be reported, and it's the kind of thing that will scare people away from the parks long-term (rational or not). Disney isn't going to want to open and get blamed for things if anything else is still closed. Beyond that, there's a pretty strong chance Disney won't be allowed to open for a while because of the crowds.
 

Kman101

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Epic Universe could be cancelled and we’d still end up with much of what is going in for day one if they wanted to move those additions to IoA and USF.

Yep! I agree. I actually trust them to follow through, for the most part. It's a vast difference than how I feel about Disney, WDW in particular. Although I'm sure Paris' parks will suffer too. Disneyland isn't going to stop Runaway Railway. I do question if they go through with the e-ticket Avengers attraction. How far into the process are they on that behind the scenes?
 

EricsBiscuit

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That's not what I said, though. We're talking about a scenario in which WDW opens while many other things are still closed and starts spreading infections (which would almost certainly be the case if it was open at the beginning of May).

I do think WDW will stay closed longer than most other places, though. Like you said, people are going to get infected at WDW, and it's going to be reported, and it's the kind of thing that will scare people away from the parks long-term (rational or not). Disney isn't going to want to open and get blamed for things if anything else is still closed. Beyond that, there's a pretty strong chance Disney won't be allowed to open for a while because of the crowds.
I understand what you’re saying and agree that they won’t be the first to reopen. But they have two options that make sense: reopen soon (with two months), or mothball for a long time.
 

Kman101

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So this scenario where nobody gets infected after going to WDW is probably impossible until there is a vaccine in 12-18 months. That means WDW would be closed for a year at least. That is not possible. Many people probably got it from WDW and just don’t know it because they’re asymptomatic and haven’t been tested.

Exactly (btw, using your post as a jumping off point).

We aren't staying in our homes for a year. lol. I get folks are scared, paranoid and frightened (I'm all of the above at numerous times throughout the day but that's often because I watch way too much news and read way too much social media) but this too shall pass. We WILL get back to normalcy. :) I know it's really hard for some to believe that, but we will. We've literally only been going through this, really, for two weeks (the shutdown of the parks, not the virus). Folks act like they'll never open again. I get the fear. But don't play into it everyone. Disney will not be going out of business. THEY may THINK they are. And operate like they are. But they won't.

This has to get unbelievably catastrophic (some could argue it already is and I would probably have to agree) for all of these worst case scenarios to come true. And it could. But let's have some faith it doesn't. I expect some form of normalcy by June/July. May would be great but I'm trying to be realistic and hopeful at this point.

It will take a while for the World to get back up and running again. Castmembers have to be recovered and scheduled. Food ordered. Precautions in place. SOOOOOOOO many working variables are at play. It's not going to be a light switch flick and voila, IMO. So should be interesting to see how they open back up. Most folks agree virtual queues are the new norm. Capacity can't remain the same. They kinda HAVE to implement changes. But it's all just speculation of course. I hate to say it but they get the benefit of cutting things temporarily like parades and fireworks (if that should happen, of course not confirmed, but highly likely) and it's also seen as a safety precaution. It's reasonable to believe they'll cut.

I mean they kinda HAVE to finish Guardians, TRON, Play! ... and we know they're moving forward with the Stitch replacement in WiR (supposedly, allegedly) ...

If they cut, say, Poppins, do they think we'll all just forget it's been playing on a big screen for months in Epcot? (but they advertised countries that never got built so ... and the main street theater ...) lol. So ... interesting times once they open back up.
 
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EricsBiscuit

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Exactly (btw, using your post as a jumping off point).

We aren't staying in our homes for a year. lol. I get folks are scared, paranoid and frightened (I'm all of the above at numerous times throughout the day but that's often because I watch way too much news and read way too much social media) but this too shall pass. We WILL get back to normalcy. :) I know it's really hard for some to believe that, but we will. We've literally only been going through this, really, for two weeks (the shutdown of the parks, not the virus). Folks act like they'll never open again. I get the fear. But don't play into it everyone. Disney will not be going out of business. THEY may THINK they are. And operate like they are. But they won't.

This has to get unbelievably catastrophic (some could argue it already is and I would probably have to agree) for all of these worst case scenarios to come true. And it could. But let's have some faith it doesn't. I expect some form of normalcy by June/July. May would be great but I'm trying to be realistic and hopeful at this point.

It will take a while for the World to get back up and running again. Castmembers have to be recovered and scheduled. Food ordered. Precautions in place. SOOOOOOOO many working variables are at play. It's not going to be a light switch flick and voila, IMO. So should be interesting to see how they open back up. Most folks agree virtual queues are the new norm. Capacity can't remain the same. They kinda HAVE to implement changes. But it's all just speculation of course. I hate to say it but they get the benefit of cutting things temporarily like parades and fireworks (if that should happen, of course not confirmed, but highly likely) and it's also seen as a safety precaution. It's reasonable to believe they'll cut.
So many people act as this is the end of the world. It’s not. There is a major plague every 100 years. I can’t see the world continuing this way for more than another month and a half. At some point we have to get back to work. We just have to.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
So this scenario where nobody gets infected after going to WDW is probably impossible until there is a vaccine in 12-18 months. That means WDW would be closed for a year at least. That is not possible. Many people probably got it from WDW and just don’t know it because they’re asymptomatic and haven’t been tested.
Trust me, I want this over as soon as possible along with everyone else. We’ve had to try to reschedule a DLP trip once already and might have to again. We’ve a large Florida trip planned for the fall. Believe me we want them to happen.

Right now (again, from official word in the UK) were on day six of mandatory rules. I won't call it lockdown but that still might happen. Consensus seems to think if there’s less than another 11 weeks of mandatory rules we will be lucky.

(Mandatory rules are only travel if essential, only leave the house once a day for quick exercise locally or for essential, quick shopping. Most shops closed. All restaurants, bars, cinemas, gyms etc closed. Social distancing. No gatherings of more than 2 people. And so on)

How the parks plan to manage reopening, and the aftermath, remains to be seen. Meetings are happening. What if? scenarios are happening. But no one really knows. Including when they’ll reopen.
 

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