What's Still On and What's Now Off

HauntedPirate

Sheltered-at-home Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I'm pretty sure I've read around here that Reflections was one of the projects not moving forward.
 

WDW Pro

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Since it is still largely site work, completing the water management would be a possible cause beyond contracts that can be suspended at will. Regardless of whether or not the hotel moves forward the site needs to appropriately manage water in the approved manner.
I think you're right. I don't know for sure yet, but it sounds like Martin already does.
 

bpiper

Active Member
And the upfront cost. I’m a dvc member as well I just assumed that project may go forward because the dvc resorts to my knowledge anyways pay for themselves as long as there is demand. I could be wrong about that however
Yes, they pay for themselves once its SOLD OUT by member dues. Until the break even number of points are sold for the resort, Disney is underwater on their construction costs.

They need to have Reflections finished right before when they anticipate Riviera to sell out so that they can seamlessly move over to selling points there.
If Reflections is being re-evaluated it means that there are concerns that sales at Riviera will slow down. That means that they can stop construction for awhile until they can see the sales trends better. With no vertical construction started, although it did look like footers for support columns had been pored for the wing closest to Pioneer Hall in the recent aerials, its relatively easy to stop construction and restart later with out incurring any weather damage to unfinished structures.

If Disney is anticipating significant decreased attendance, this will effect point sales.... The amount would depend upon the number of contracts that come from the DVC kiosks around the resort vs existing members adding on points there. Also, while attendance might still be healthy, people might not be in the mood to commit to purchasing DVC due to economic anxiety.
 

Kman101

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Not making light of this deadly, serious virus by any means, but isn't it always super frustrating and disappointing that whenever WDW gets investment something happens that causes cutbacks and reductions. Just a shame. While most disagree on the direction of the parks, they were spending a LOT of money finally. The sad fact is, they literally can't afford to NOT spend money but they're in the spot where they have to NOT spend money.
 

pdude81

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Not making light of this deadly, serious virus by any means, but isn't it always super frustrating and disappointing that whenever WDW gets investment something happens that causes cutbacks and reductions. Just a shame. While most disagree on the direction of the parks, they were spending a LOT of money finally. The sad fact is, they literally can't afford to NOT spend money but they're in the spot where they have to NOT spend money.
Figuring out how to make more revenue with fewer guests?

@realBobChapek might not have been the savior you wanted, but he is the one you needed.
 

Magic Feather

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DCL is in a very unique situation. Prior to the closure, DCL had a huge excess of demand wit not enough supply. That is one of the main reasons why Disney is one of if not the most expensive in the Cruise Line industry (alongside its luxury perception and great reputation). It is one of the few aspects where I wouldn't be surprised to see prices jump after they begin to reopen as capacity is forced to become even lower, limiting supply further. This entire concept is why Disney took the opportunity to up their order from two to three ships, and, to my knowledge, it is very far down on the totem pole for capex cuts. DCL projects might even be the most insulated from COVID fallout throughout DPEP.
 

asianway

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reflections construction is still going on. Since it is dvc it will have return on investment so I don’t see this project stopping.

SSE and Poppins I see off the table for now
If on SSE they could just add an ending (something to look at, light show or something) on the descent and maybe redo the cartoons with your pictures that would be a cheap but welcome add for now.
DVC doesn’t have a guaranteed return on anything. See Aulani. They are on the hook for dues until the points are sold and don’t get the cash from the sales until they securitize the receivables. And the rates for timeshare paper isn’t going to be favorable going into a recession. If anything I’d see them turning to DLH since that product actually has demand.
 

M:SpilotISTC12

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I'm worried about the future of Epcot. Future World is a mess right now. With budgets getting cut, what is going go happen to the giant opening in the middle? Are they just going to roll out some beer and merch carts and call it a day? The 40th anniversary is going to be sad, isn't it? Sure we'll get GotG (only because its so far into construction) but the rest of Future World seems bleak. WoL can stay status quo as it has been for the last decade so that is no loss. Innoventions, Electric Umbrella, Mousegears, JII, and SSE are the real question marks for their status. Even the announced plans (though I wasn't high on them) seem better than what could be coming now.
 

Doberge

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They need to have Reflections finished right before when they anticipate Riviera to sell out so that they can seamlessly move over to selling points there.
If Reflections is being re-evaluated it means that there are concerns that sales at Riviera will slow down. That means that they can stop construction for awhile until they can see the sales trends better.
If Reflections was strictly DVC like Riviera then I could see DVC pushing ahead because they can manipulate sales with incentives to push Riviera faster or slower as desired. But Reflections also has the hotel side that I believe is still the majority of rooms. They're currently needing to reconsider demand for deluxe hotels. There's so much uncertainty that any decision one way or the other would be a hunch. It's unlikely anyone is going to the Bobs with "We believe the demand will still be there but we really don't know."
 

imagineer97

Active Member
In the Parks
No
MouseGear is entirely gutted. Like, no floor or ceiling, no walls, it's just one big empty space. Electric Umbrella on the other hand hasn't been touched to my knowledge, neither has a small remaining portion of Innoventions East.
What about the Dreamfinder's vehicle on the wall? Any ideas what happened to that?
 
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