What will replace Pleasure Island?

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Hrudey3032

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Go away for a week and the same people are arguing as usual.This used to be a real great site but some people have IMHO ruined it. Hope for Steve's sake he can right the ship.
 
EPCOT Explorer

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MontyMon said:
Not entirely sure how concrete sounding it could get. They decided to close down the clubs and open the property for bidding from prospective upscale shopping venues. If the economy tanked and no bids were brought forward or there were bids being assessed but nothing agreed to, all the public would ever know is that they were looking for upscale shopping.

My understanding is the exact same happened with Flamingo Crossings, the process started, but the economy tanked and everything has basically been put on hold.

You don't announce details during negotiation, it sets expectations that may not be in the final product. When it's coming together or finalized, you announce what's actually coming. None of the PI venues reached that point except the new restaurant that opened. :shrug:
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Well then...if that is the case, it seems that it was poor planning. Basic sense says to wait until you have a new tenant in the venue, before you kick the other one out. Nothing is making money there right now....if PI were at least to remain open until things started to build for the new PI, it would at least be making money.


IMHO, of course.
 
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jt04 said:
So you believe the construction cycles are planned down to the year?
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Cycles? What are you trying to get me to say, jt? :lol:


I believe that these things, though planned, are not set in stone, and can be changed in a positive or negative manner depending on who is doing the changing.


Enter in Glendale and TDO...
 
jt04

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EPCOT Explorer said:
Cycles? What are you trying to get me to say, jt? :lol:


I believe that these things, though planned, are not set in stone, and can be changed in a positive or negative manner depending on who is doing the changing.


Enter in Glendale and TDO...
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So you are either saying there are no 5 year plans or everybody has a 5 year plan, or everbody has a 5 year plan but it is meaningless, or there is one 5 year plan but it is meaningless or.....:dazzle:
 
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jt04 said:
So you are either saying there are no 5 year plans or everybody has a 5 year plan, or everbody has a 5 year plan but it is meaningless, or there is one 5 year plan but it is meaningless or.....:dazzle:
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If you want to misconstrue it, sure.:rolleyes::lol:


They have 5 Year plans. They plan on them. They use them to guide their actions. However...they can be drastically changed.:wave:
 
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EPCOT Explorer said:
Well then...if that is the case, it seems that it was poor planning. Basic sense says to wait until you have a new tenant in the venue, before you kick the other one out. Nothing is making money there right now....if PI were at least to remain open until things started to build for the new PI, it would at least be making money.


IMHO, of course.
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"Basic sense" is in the eye of the beholder. :lol:

If they were truly "re-visioning" the entire area [which they announced they were], it makes perfect sense to completely gut the area and offer the whole place full of venues to choose from. Remember, when they started the shutdown of the clubs there was discussion that they were not making any profit. When shuttering them is cheaper, you shutter them. New vendors approach a prospective venue differently when there are established venues in place, when there are older venues still in place that may or may not be closed in future and when the place is empty and similar class of venues are being courted for all the vacancies.

The economy wasn't bad when they planned this and they likely couldn't have forecast its demise [if they could, they wouldn't have money troubles at all now, they'd be rolling in cash]. Having set things in motion during good economic times, changing course may never have been considered a viable option.
 
jt04

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EPCOT Explorer said:
If you want to misconstrue it, sure.:rolleyes::lol:


They have 5 Year plans. They plan on them. They use them to guide their actions. However...they can be drastically changed.:wave:
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OK, I agree with you but I don't think they are ever as detailed as planning on what new attractions are going in. My guess is that it would only go as far as saying a certain monetary ammount is being committed to attractions. So if they commit 1 Billion, that could be for 1 park or 250 million each for four parks. That would be as detailed as a generic 5 year plan would get.
 
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MontyMon said:
"Basic sense" is in the eye of the beholder. :lol:

If they were truly "re-visioning" the entire area [which they announced they were], it makes perfect sense to completely gut the area and offer the whole place full of venues to choose from. Remember, when they started the shutdown of the clubs there was discussion that they were not making any profit. When shuttering them is cheaper, you shutter them. New vendors approach a prospective venue differently when there are established venues in place, when there are older venues still in place that may or may not be closed in future and when the place is empty and similar class of venues are being courted for all the vacancies.

The economy wasn't bad when they planned this and they likely couldn't have forecast its demise [if they could, they wouldn't have money troubles at all now, they'd be rolling in cash]. Having set things in motion during good economic times, changing course may never have been considered a viable option.
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Does it help if the eye of the beholder is inclined to business?:lookaroun:lol:



I have to agree, save for the bolded...Seeing that the clubs were MADE to look like that, by both exit polls, and by the very management that closed them, and were rewarded for doing so.
 
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jt04 said:
OK, I agree with you but I don't think they are ever as detailed as planning on what new attractions are going in. My guess is that it would only go as far as saying a certain monetary ammount is being committed to attractions. So if they commit 1 Billion, that could be for 1 park or 250 million each for four parks. That would be as detailed as a generic 5 year plan would get.
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I'll agree, but I WOULD think they know about attractions and venues. WDI is ALWAYS building and creating for them, and that's why.
 
jt04

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MontyMon said:
"Basic sense" is in the eye of the beholder. :lol:

If they were truly "re-visioning" the entire area [which they announced they were], it makes perfect sense to completely gut the area and offer the whole place full of venues to choose from. Remember, when they started the shutdown of the clubs there was discussion that they were not making any profit. When shuttering them is cheaper, you shutter them. New vendors approach a prospective venue differently when there are established venues in place, when there are older venues still in place that may or may not be closed in future and when the place is empty and similar class of venues are being courted for all the vacancies.

The economy wasn't bad when they planned this and they likely couldn't have forecast its demise [if they could, they wouldn't have money troubles at all now, they'd be rolling in cash]. Having set things in motion during good economic times, changing course may never have been considered a viable option.
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Nicely said.

Gotta go :wave:
 
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