What will replace Pleasure Island?

[jt04]

Read what? I'm sorry Jt but the gentlemen asked for a simple link or post to back up your previous statements any good insider would back up his story with previous statements...but maybe that's the keyword...good...

I've already said I'm not an insider, I just know how to read the WDW tea leaves. :zipit:

 

[Monty]

Seems to me they announced a plan when they shut down the clubs of moving to an upscale shopping district. Unfortunately, very close to the same time the bottom fell out of the economy, making it difficult for any upscale organization to commit major funds to development.

When the economic recovery has set in and companies can afford to invest a bit of capital, I think you'll see the plan start to take hold. Was it bad planning on Disney's part? Probably not, more likely jiust unfortunate timing.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

They claimed that there was NO 5 year plan. There was no discussion of a 5 year plan by anyone.....ever. The claim was that there would be nothing new for at least 5 years. I claimed that TDO didn't have that authority since the realignment and that more powerful forces (sheriff) would intervene, and that is exactly how it happened.

Disagree if you want but you are taking the chance somebody will back me up on this. In any case I know the truth, and so do you. Which is why you do cartwheels defending the doomers.:lol:

There's always a 5 Year Plan.

There were minimal things on it, until Glendale changed that.


How am I not saying that?


You are the one that brought that up with PI not getting anything and that being akin to FL and the discrepancy in the 5 Year Plan.


This is a failed spin cycle, methinks.:wave:


You think this is doing cartwheels? :lol: And for the Doomers? Wrong. I'm defending my opinion, and having a intelligent conversation. Can't we pick up on that, jt04?:wave:

 

[cdunbar]

I've already said I'm not an insider, I just know how to read the WDW tea leaves. :zipit:

That's a contradiction. If your not an insider than you can only assume what will happen, saying something like "I just know how to read the WDW tea leaves," is saying that you can predict the future which hang on for this circular reasoning which means you know what IS going to happen hence meaning your an insider. And you don't ever have to be afraid to say something to me sweetie, I can handle it...

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Seems to me they announced a plan when they shut down the clubs of moving to an upscale shopping district. Unfortunately, very close to the same time the bottom fell out of the economy, making it difficult for any upscale organization to commit major funds to development.

When the economic recovery has set in and companies can afford to invest a bit of capital, I think you'll see the plan start to take hold. Was it bad planning on Disney's part? Probably not, more likely jiust unfortunate timing.

Well said, Monty!


However...even though the Economy is a a huge factor...Why were there no plans that at least SOUNDED concrete? All we got was "Bold New Vision" and the inking of 3rd Part Vendors....It seems like it was still being conceptualized, and now that the Econ tanked, nothing is taking off, much like Flamingo Crossings. They know what they want for the area, but can't get it.

 

[jt04]

There's always a 5 Year Plan.

There were minimal things on it, until Glendale changed that.


How am I not saying that?


You are the one that brought that up with PI not getting anything and that being akin to FL and the discrepancy in the 5 Year Plan.


This is a failed spin cycle, methinks.:wave:


You think this is doing cartwheels? :lol: And for the Doomers? Wrong. I'm defending my opinion, and having a intelligent conversation. Can't we pick up on that, jt04?:wave:

I know what you are trying to say and failing at. I've never discussed a 5 year plan because I don't think there is one, at least on the micro level. So, now I said PI is not getting anything? :shrug: Ummmm, yeah OK, got it, ummmm yeah, perhaps you need some rest.

 

[unkadug]

Well said, Monty!


However...even though the Economy is a a huge factor...Why were there no plans that at least SOUNDED concrete? All we got was "Bold New Vision" and the inking of 3rd Part Vendors....It seems like it was still being conceptualized, and now that the Econ tanked, nothing is taking off, much like Flamingo Crossings. They know what they want for the area, but can't get it.

But, what they want is to take advantage of the Disney brand but leasing it out to other vendors, thereby cheapening the very brand that feeds their hungry mouths.

 

[unkadug]

I know what you are trying to say and failing at. I've never discussed a 5 year plan because I don't think there is one, at least on the micro level. So, now I said PI is not getting anything? :shrug: Ummmm, yeah OK, got it, ummmm yeah, perhaps you need some rest.

I you know what he is saying, them he didn't fail.

jt, your circular logic grows tiresome.

 

[jt04]

That's a contradiction. If your not an insider than you can only assume what will happen, saying something like "I just know how to read the WDW tea leaves," is saying that you can predict the future which hang on for this circular reasoning which means you know what IS going to happen hence meaning your an insider. And you don't ever have to be afraid to say something to me sweetie, I can handle it...

By "insider" I mean I don't have any first hand contacts in the company. But I have been an observer for a long time. Thanks for asking.

 

[cdunbar]

But, what they want is to take advantage of the Disney brand but leasing it out to other vendors, thereby cheapening the very brand that feeds their hungry mouths.

But Doug, is it really? I mean it works in CA...

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I know what you are trying to say and failing at. I've never discussed a 5 year plan because I don't think there is one, at least on the micro level. So, now I said PI is not getting anything? :shrug: Ummmm, yeah OK, got it, ummmm yeah, perhaps you need some rest.

Your first sentence makes no sense, grammatically....Making me wonder what you are talking bout.


Your claims about a Five Year Plan are completely contradictory to what you say in other threads about " The Pendulum heading back to WDW from DL".

PI? Are your trying to get back on topic?


I'm well and rested. Slept fine last night.

Yourself?:wave:

 

[jt04]

I you know what he is saying, them he didn't fail.

jt, your circular logic grows tiresome.

Accusing people of using "circular logic" is just one of your tricke to avoid dealing with a topic you don't want to accept but can't refute. :snore:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

But, what they want is to take advantage of the Disney brand but leasing it out to other vendors, thereby cheapening the very brand that feeds their hungry mouths.

That won't work at all....:lol: There's NOTHING "Disney" about West Side, and that's what they already have done.

I you know what he is saying, them he didn't fail.

jt, your circular logic grows tiresome.

Thanks!


...and it's GROWN tiresome. :lol:

But Doug, is it really? I mean it works in CA...

Different venue and market....though, I really do think that that DtD is bland, too. It appears to look nicer, though.

 

[cdunbar]

Accusing people of using "circular logic" is just one of your tricke to avoid dealing with a topic you don't want to accept but can't refute. :snore:

O so now you believe in circular reasoning...

 

[jt04]

Your first sentence makes no sense, grammatically....Making me wonder what you are talking bout.


Your claims about a Five Year Plan are completely contradictory to what you say in other threads about " The Pendulum heading back to WDW from DL".

PI? Are your trying to get back on topic?


I'm well and rested. Slept fine last night.

Yourself?:wave:

It's not a plan any more than a recession is planned (usually :lookaroun). It is part of the normal business cycles and not something written down. :ROFLOL:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

It's not a plan any more than a recession is planned (usually :lookaroun). It is part of the normal business cycles and not something written down. :ROFLOL:

And this just shows that you know nothing of the internal workings of the Walt Disney Company. While I might not be in as "deep" as I like...it's OBVIOUS that these things are planned by management. :wave:

 

[jt04]

O so now you believe in circular reasoning...

Oh yes, I went to college, where it is commonly used, and learned to smell it from a mile away.

 

[Monty]

Well said, Monty!


However...even though the Economy is a a huge factor...Why were there no plans that at least SOUNDED concrete? All we got was "Bold New Vision" and the inking of 3rd Part Vendors....It seems like it was still being conceptualized, and now that the Econ tanked, nothing is taking off, much like Flamingo Crossings. They know what they want for the area, but can't get it.

Not entirely sure how concrete sounding it could get. They decided to close down the clubs and open the property for bidding from prospective upscale shopping venues. If the economy tanked and no bids were brought forward or there were bids being assessed but nothing agreed to, all the public would ever know is that they were looking for upscale shopping.

My understanding is the exact same happened with Flamingo Crossings, the process started, but the economy tanked and everything has basically been put on hold.

You don't announce details during negotiation, it sets expectations that may not be in the final product. When it's coming together or finalized, you announce what's actually coming. None of the PI venues reached that point except the new restaurant that opened. :shrug:

 

[cdunbar]

Oh yes, I went to college, where it is commonly used, and learned to smell it from a mile away.

I too went to the institution of higher learning where I graduated with honors, and probably more recently than you...:wave:

 

[jt04]

And this just shows that you know nothing of the internal workings of the Walt Disney Company. While I might not be in as "deep" as I like...it's OBVIOUS that these things are planned by management. :wave:

So you believe the construction cycles are planned down to the year?