What will replace Pleasure Island?

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EPCOT Explorer

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I agree the dance clubs needed to be closed, but there was a time when Disney did not close attractions without planning something new. Closed, empty buildings have become too commen at WDW. It's starting to look like Detroit.

Blatently lying to the public, claiming there was some kind of "bold new vision" is insulting. Disney seems to have no respect any more for the public--it's a complete 180 for Walt's days.

Clearly the WDW executives thought: everyone would want to open a restaurant at Disney. Let just close up the stuff the old timers built and rent it out. We wont need to manage anything, we'll just be landlords!

This is the same logic behind Flamigo Crossing and it's arrogant. Disney management today thinks their brand is so strong but they have no understanding of how that brand was built, and they have no respect for the people that built it, and no respect for the public that responds to it.
AGREED in FULL!


This approach is not Disney. Disney is quality, entertainment, something unique. What's unique about a new mall in Orlando?
 

imagineer boy

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I agree the dance clubs needed to be closed, but there was a time when Disney did not close attractions without planning something new. Closed, empty buildings have become too commen at WDW. It's starting to look like Detroit.

Blatently lying to the public, claiming there was some kind of "bold new vision" is insulting. Disney seems to have no respect any more for the public--it's a complete 180 for Walt's days.

Clearly the WDW executives thought: everyone would want to open a restaurant at Disney. Let just close up the stuff the old timers built and rent it out. We wont need to manage anything, we'll just be landlords!

This is the same logic behind Flamigo Crossing and it's arrogant. Disney management today thinks their brand is so strong but they have no understanding of how that brand was built, and they have no respect for the people that built it, and no respect for the public that responds to it.

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:
 

_Scar

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Are you guys just assuming that there is no plan because nothing has been leaked yet?


Guys.... cmon.
 

NMBC1993

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I personally think there was no grand master plan. If there was a plan when they closed the clubs it would be in affect by now. They have finished everything they had on agenda, Paradiso 37, Characters in Flight, and T-Rex Cafe. But hey it's ok because this fall right into Disney's new slogan "Less is More at WDW":brick:
 

jt04

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:rolleyes::ROFLOL:


Do YOU see anything happening? What smart business people do it announce a closure, and announce a reopening. Do YOU see that?:ROFLOL:

We didn't see the FL plans before they leaked but that didn't mean they didn't exist. Quite clearly they did. And whenever somebody said new stuff was coming to the parks (including the MK), you and others said that was not possible because there was no "proof". (By your estimation anyway).


Obviously you are not good a recognizing the signals, so perhaps you should leave it to the experts.


:wave:


This post is dedicated to the sririt of 74 and his "source", whose screen name escapes me at the moment.
 

NMBC1993

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We didn't see the FL plans before they leaked but that didn't mean they didn't exist. Quite clearly they did.

Speaking of which, if there really is some bold new vision, wouldn't they have said something at D23? I'm sure Disney would have loved to use anything they could to make sure people are distracted from Harry Potter World.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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We didn't see the FL plans before they leaked but that didn't mean they didn't exist. Quite clearly they did. And whenever somebody said new stuff was coming to the parks (including the MK), you and others said that was not possible because there was no "proof". (By your estimation anyway).


Obviously you are not good a recognizing the signals, so perhaps you should leave it to the experts.


:wave:


This post is dedicated to the sririt of 74 and his "source", whose screen name escapes me at the moment.
No, but how do you know it's not coming? :lol::rolleyes:
Since you two seem to love to post in the same assumptive attitude and vein of posting, I'll kill to birds with one stone. :)

Huh? Totally different scenario there. No closures.......Just a expansion. Here, we are looking and waiting for a old venue to be repurposed again....but nothing is happening. They closed it, and that's it. I don't see anything. There's no BOLD NEW VISION here. And if they are waiting to release plans, that's stupid too. They opened the door for malcontent by not showing how they were "fixing" PI.


jt....Leave it to the experts!? :ROFLOL: What!? And how are YOU a expert?! HAH! Please....You pull at straws like it's going out of style. (Way to Go, TDO!! Prefurb!! :lol:)

to blindly follow is a sign of true devotion and worship.

Lovely. :D
 

jt04

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jt....Leave it to the experts!? :ROFLOL: What!? And how are YOU a expert?! HAH!

Um, I didn't claim to be an expert. You made that leap. Of course I can understand why.

Since all of our resident "experts" said nothing new was coming to the MK for at least 5 years and I disagreed.

Not that I'm an expert. :lookaroun
 

unkadug

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Um, I didn't claim to be an expert. You made that leap. Of course I can understand why.

Since all of our resident "experts" said nothing new was coming to the MK for at least 5 years and I disagreed.

Not that I'm an expert. :lookaroun

Where was all this stuff posted? Do you have links? I want proof that you properly forcasted the future.

An expert can always back up the claims with proof.

A charlatan can only make claims.
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Ooooh, Doug....You asked for proof. Be prepared to spin!!! :lol:


Um, I didn't claim to be an expert. You made that leap. Of course I can understand why.

Since all of our resident "experts" said nothing new was coming to the MK for at least 5 years and I disagreed.

Not that I'm an expert. :lookaroun

You said leave it to the experts. Meaning you want me to leave your conversation, in which YOU are the expert, doing the talking. Simple logic....but would you know about that?


Oh, look....The old "5 Years" line. Well, I have your answer. That came from TDO. They didn't want anything in the next 5 years. Glendale, the smarter faction here, interveined, and pushed something in for the next 5 years. See how that works, now?:wave: Things change, jay.


Oh, and thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. That certainly shows something. :)
 

jt04

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Ooooh, Doug....You asked for proof. Be prepared to spin!!! :lol:




You said leave it to the experts. Meaning you want me to leave your conversation, in which YOU are the expert, doing the talking. Simple logic....but would you know about that?


Oh, look....The old "5 Years" line. Well, I have your answer. That came from TDO. They didn't want anything in the next 5 years. Glendale, the smarter faction here, interveined, and pushed something in for the next 5 years. See how that works, now?:wave: Things change, jay.


Oh, and thanks for ignoring the rest of the post. That certainly shows something. :)

Well, if your going to change the topic to discuss the "sheriff", I seem to remember that being part of the discussion too, before the plans were revealed.

Yep. Read 'em and weep. :cry:
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Well, if your going to change the topic to discuss the "sheriff", I seem to remember that being part of the discussion too, before the plans were revealed.

Yep. Read 'em and weep. :cry:
Yeah. I change the topic to "The Sheriff" after you bring up "The 5 Year Plan". You gotta be kidding.
 

cdunbar

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Well, if your going to change the topic to discuss the "sheriff", I seem to remember that being part of the discussion too, before the plans were revealed.

Yep. Read 'em and weep. :cry:
Read what? I'm sorry Jt but the gentlemen asked for a simple link or post to back up your previous statements any good insider would back up his story with previous statements...but maybe that's the keyword...good...:rolleyes:
 

jt04

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Yeah. I change the topic to "The Sheriff" after you bring up "The 5 Year Plan". You gotta be kidding.

They claimed that there was NO 5 year plan. There was no discussion of a 5 year plan by anyone.....ever. The claim was that there would be nothing new for at least 5 years. I claimed that TDO didn't have that authority since the realignment and that more powerful forces (sheriff) would intervene, and that is exactly how it happened.

Disagree if you want but you are taking the chance somebody will back me up on this. In any case I know the truth, and so do you. Which is why you do cartwheels defending the doomers.:lol:
 
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