What will Disney announce for Disney World at the 2022 D23 expo?

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Hollywood Studios is the most "lifeless" park with very little kinetic energy. Even SWGE lacks in this department. Citizens of Hollywood provided great kinetics.

It was a big mistake - imho - to move off the classic Hollywood overall theme and more in IP land mismosh

If they wanted to make “IP thrill land”…then they should have built enough…but they didn’t. They just landlocked the park more than ever and did some middling (longterm) replacements for the original 1980s decay.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm so sick of HM stopping. Ruins the entire ride. I get why, but just figure out a way to load/unload where it does not stop the ride for people already in the main parts.

The doombuggies make it impossible…because they are continuous. If they had breaks, they could do an ADA spur/hitch…

But no.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Studios is great till you hit the Chinese theatre then falls apart until SWGE and even that is meh

I put that all back on Eisner. They did the 50/50, half day concept and never did the “second half” once they pulled the plug on the studio. There should have been build out long before they let it fall into “Bob and Bobber”’s hands

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Has to be a new AK Dinoland attraction, right?

I'm gluing together Len Testa's comment on a recent Disney Dish episode about a new AK attraction announcement that was allegedly pulled the morning of the last D23 park presentation, and Alicia Stella made a recent podcast comment to the effect of "oh yeah, the AK wooden coaster".

Although a replacement for Rivers of Light also seems like an absolute must.

There were several “pulled the morning of…” from the last couple.

And some things that were there were cut as if it was always gonna be like that…

I don’t know anything…but you can only trust patterns and money when it comes to corporate these days.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think Spaceship Earth, even in its diminished state, is better than any attraction at DHS (RotR possibly excepted, but I'll likely still like SSE more), and I love the World Showcase. There's admittedly some nostalgia for the old Future World in there too. Factor in my disdain for essentially everything in TSL (SDD is at least fun for what it is, but it's not worth waiting in line to ride) and lack of interest in RnRC and current DHS just doesn't have much to offer me.

The last time I was at DHS I think we were there for about 4 hours and then left because we'd already done everything that interested us.

So you can’t do rollercoasters…

…yeah…I think we picked up on that

 

[UNCgolf]

I put that all back on Eisner. They did the 50/50, half day concept and never did the “second half” once they pulled the plug on the studio. There should have been build out long before they let it fall into “Bob and Bobber”’s hands

To be fair to Eisner, I think they still had an active animation studio there into the early 2000s -- I'm pretty sure it only shut down just before Iger took over as CEO. They also built RnRC in the late 90s. They absolutely could (and should) have done more, though.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Disney parks are not for thrill rides.

Never have, never will be.

Those “thrills” aren’t very thrilling. Tower and RNRC are really the only ones that qualify.

Slinky is ok…but family coaster class.

Nothing…nutting…in abrams land even loosely is a thrill ride. A toned down platform sim and a trackless that is kid tempered with a lot of bells and whistles.

I know we got more “thrill” flavor from particularly the late Eisner years…but they have moved away from that more than they’ve moved to it.

Rides can be fun - like midway - and not be a thrill. Lines don’t equate to thrills…they just equate to crowd mismanagement in Orlando more than anything.

I get it, WDW is not Cedar Point, but RnRc is a great example of a Scream Machine with indoor Disney theming. They could do that so many more times. They could do a suspended coast for Monster's Inc., they could do a Mt. Fuji or Drachen Fire coaster for World Showcase.

Everest and Indy are other great examples of Disney coasters that hit the thrill factor of Cedar Point, Busch Gardens (VA) and Kings Dominion (Paramount something, or other?).

 

[UNCgolf]

So you can’t do rollercoasters…

…yeah…I think we picked up on that

I can do them, I just don't think they're worth waiting in line to ride for the most part -- too short and kind of boring. I might ride RnRC if it was basically a walk-on, which is how I feel about SDD too. I'll wait in line (within reason) to do Expedition Everest because it's more interesting, although it was a lot better when all the effects were working.

Tower of Terror is phenomenal, though.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I get it, WDW is not Cedar Point, but RnRc is a great example of a Scream Machine with indoor Disney theming. They could do that so many more times. They could do a suspended coast for Monster's Inc., they could do a Mt. Fuji or Drachen Fire coaster for World Showcase.

Everest and Indy are other great examples of Disney coasters that hit the thrill factor of Cedar Point, Busch Gardens (VA) and Kings Dominion (Paramount something, or other?).

The best Disney coaster that I’ve been on…from the “traditional” sense…
Is space in Paris. It’s a 90’s vekoma banger…but it works.

California screamin is a good ride…even with baby on a stick

Rockinroller coaster is always fun to me. It’s a great example of Disney making more out of the sum than its parts…like tower and splash before it…

I’m all for more coasters…because they just need more of everything. And I love all the old ideas too…excavator…door coaster…
I still dream that maybe my own “obvious” idea for an Australian one from 1999 may happen…but prolly not

Solid mention on DrachenFire…by the way

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s a lightyear better than Buzz from Tomorrowland.

But it’s not even in the same galaxy as MIB

Last time I rode mib I thought it was underwhelming…so maybe it’s aged now too.

I really like Astro blasters in Anaheim…so there’s that too

 

[doctornick]

There’s a couple of issues with connecting these areas (not impossible, but not super easy). The area in red is very narrow, buildings would have to be altered in order for this to be a proper guest walkway, as is it would not be viable for guest traffic to get through here. The other thing would he getting food to and from the restaurants here, not super difficult, but would be the same issue as the Main Street bypass. Either way, they REALLY need to do something with animation courtyard, that area is embarrassing right now.

Wish List:

Return an updated littler Mermaid or Encanto show.

Reopen one of the shuttered shops. Make the other a relaxation zone with seating, chargers.

Return the Magic of Disney Animation, including the animation class. Get Disney+ to sponsor it.

(A little bit out of animation courtyard, but…) expand the Brown Derby lounge seating, move the bar into former Starring Roles location.View attachment 662428

I think the developing this properly would involve tearing down the entire animation building including the offices (which can be replaced elsewhere). Launch Bay doesn’t need to be around any more. With that building removed, there’s a massive footprint of space that can be used for a land and be connected to the RNR area.

 

[J4546]

It was a big mistake - imho - to move off the classic Hollywood overall theme and more in IP land mismosh

If they wanted to make “IP thrill land”…then they should have built enough…but they didn’t. They just landlocked the park more than ever and did some middling (longterm) replacements for the original 1980s decay.

I disagree but to each their own.

I like the way the DHS layout is evolving, keeping the hollywood studios theme in the center/core of the park but using the outer edges for themed lands based on popular IPs. DHS is still the worst FL park imo, If they would expand to the NW quadrant and make another loop back to sunset, with a massive themed land to something Marvel, DHS would be a much better experience.

 

[doctornick]

The excavator concept is great, but it's not what DAK needs right now. We mentioned upthread that Imagination seems too obvious not to be the next move for EPCOT. I really think Mystic Manor is a comparably obvious option for DAK. The park needs another attraction without a height requirement.

This. I think that the Excavator concept is great and would really make Dinoland much stronger thematically by having a “real” dig site to tie into the Dino Institute- but it’s not what the park needs. DAK really needs indoor no height restriction rides. I agree that Mystic Manor or something similar to that would be great and address the parks deficiencies. I also think Pandora really needs a third attraction- even if a walk through or indoor show - in that area of the park.

Now if you add stuff elsewhere that are more family friendly and still have the plot in Dinoland, sure add the Excavator too.

 

[UNCgolf]

This. I think that the Excavator concept is great and would really make Dinoland much stronger thematically by having a “real” dig site to tie into the Dino Institute- but it’s not what the park needs. DAK really needs indoor no height restriction rides. I agree that Mystic Manor or something similar to that would be great and address the parks deficiencies. I also think Pandora really needs a third attraction- even if a walk through or indoor show - in that area of the park.

Now if you add stuff elsewhere that are more family friendly and still have the plot in Dinoland, sure add the Excavator too.

I personally think the Excavator's time has passed and it was replaced with a better concept in Expedition Everest, but I agree that it would be an okay addition down the road as long as they build several other things first.

It just would not make sense as the next attraction at WDW right now -- it's not what DAK needs now and it's not really what WDW as a whole needs with Guardians just opening and TRON opening soon.

 

[doctornick]

I think DHS has probably the greatest collection of headliners in WDW but suffers from the lack of mid tier rides to support them. And when the shows are stale or closed, the lack of rides becomes too apparent. I think the park is stronger than it’s ever been in its history but that’s reflective of how mediocre it has been throughout its history. It still needs two more lands (to replace Echo Lake and Animation Courtyard) and additional attractions in existing lands to reach its potential.

Also would be nice if they brought back a day time parade.

 

[J4546]

Dream AK Announcement: Fixing/Extending Kali River Rapids and making it the amazing ride it could be. I say really go all out with show scenes on the scale of PotC.

Also create a walking path and develop the area between AK and the Conservation area that the train goes to and from.

 

[pdude81]

Dream AK Announcement: Fixing/Extending Kali River Rapids and making it the amazing ride it could be. I say really go all out with show scenes on the scale of PotC.

Also create a walking path and develop the area between AK and the Conservation area that the train goes to and from.

Bring back the fire!

 

[DCLcruiser]

Bring back the fire!

Speaking of fire, why wasn't the DAK river boat ride (with Dragon den) ever opened? I get that Fantasialand didn't happen, but now w/ Pandora open, there should be plenty to see on the river.

 

[pdude81]

Speaking of fire, why wasn't the DAK river boat ride (with Dragon den) ever opened? I get that Fantasialand didn't happen, but now w/ Pandora open, there should be plenty to see on the river.

I'd guess that without Beastly Kingdom they weren't going to do any dragon based attractions. I don't really know anything about that concept/ride so just speculating. They do a ton of boat cavalcades now though and still Kitetails randomly showing in the outdoor theater.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Dream AK Announcement: Fixing/Extending Kali River Rapids and making it the amazing ride it could be. I say really go all out with show scenes on the scale of PotC.

Also create a walking path and develop the area between AK and the Conservation area that the train goes to and from.

Water rides?

Meh…not exactly a big deal in parks since…well ever.