juan
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so the cranes and bulldozers moving around mean nothing?
and the "Project X" won't take as long as the others to build
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so the cranes and bulldozers moving around mean nothing?
and the "Project X" won't take as long as the others to build
inluvwithbeast
New Member
Nothing wrong with asking for proof, but when people try to give you proof, you find something wrong with it or disregard it. Idk, it seems like you don't really want proof, because then you'd be "right".
All I'm saying is don't dismiss everything everyone else brings up. You're not the smartest person on the board.
SeaCastle
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The decision for the expansion wasn't even made until after 2006. Source
Tower of Terror and Bug's Land were temporary fixes. They aren't part of the billion being spent to improve Cali. Tower of Terror was built in 2004.
And please don't quote Lee on saying something if you're going to pick an argument and disbelieve 50% of every post he makes anyways. Like I've said before, when insiders tell you something you don't want to hear (or something that would make you...get this...wrong) you choose not to believe them.
See above.
SeaCastle
Well-Known Member
They don't mean anything at all. Heck, they're not even expanding Fantasyland. It's all a myth.
Soft openings by August 2011? Anyone? Bueller?
juan
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lol
As I said before, WDW LM is only about 4 mos behind DCA. So depending on how elaborate/time-consuming the castle is, we could be looking at a soft opening (for LM only) as early as 4 mos after DCA opens. August might be pushing it, but Fall 2011 could be interesting.:xmas:
sponono88
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are you sure it's only 4 months behind? This is what DCA's looked like 4 months ago..
TLM construction has being going at a pretty rapid pace I'd say, considering there's a lot of other projects going on simultaneously throughout the park. The exterior has definitely changed over the past few weeks - but it's nothing worth reporting since nothing major has happened besides roof work, insulation, and digging. Most of the heavy-duty stuff has been going on inside, with the recent installation of the moving walkway and the ongoing work for the Omnimover system.
TLM construction has being going at a pretty rapid pace I'd say, considering there's a lot of other projects going on simultaneously throughout the park. The exterior has definitely changed over the past few weeks - but it's nothing worth reporting since nothing major has happened besides roof work, insulation, and digging. Most of the heavy-duty stuff has been going on inside, with the recent installation of the moving walkway and the ongoing work for the Omnimover system.
juan
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Yea my original 4 mos comment was made about the foundation work shown in the last airplane photo. At that point, the progress was shown about 4 months behind.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showpost.php?p=4235870&postcount=384
SeaCastle
Well-Known Member
are you sure it's only 4 months behind? This is what DCA's looked like 4 months ago..
TLM construction has being going at a pretty rapid pace I'd say, considering there's a lot of other projects going on simultaneously throughout the park. The exterior has definitely changed over the past few weeks - but it's nothing worth reporting since nothing major has happened besides roof work, insulation, and digging. Most of the heavy-duty stuff has been going on inside, with the recent installation of the moving walkway and the ongoing work for the Omnimover system.
I knew they were installing the loading belt, but from the pictures in the trackers, construction looked slow going. I was trying to make a point that progress wasn't visible evryday, but there's obviously a lot more being done than meets the eye.
jt04
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The decision for the expansion wasn't even made until after 2006. Source
Tower of Terror and Bug's Land were temporary fixes. They aren't part of the billion being spent to improve Cali. Tower of Terror was built in 2004.
And please don't quote Lee on saying something if you're going to pick an argument and disbelieve 50% of every post he makes anyways. Like I've said before, when insiders tell you something you don't want to hear (or something that would make you...get this...wrong) you choose not to believe them.
See above.
Just thought I would mention this so you don't think I am being rude but I'm done responding to your illogical posts after this. I don't pick arguments, I ask for people to provide some substance to their claims or answer questions if they can. There are several posters here who repeat what passes as 'common knowledge' because it makes themselves feel like they are insiders or the wish to present themselves as insiders. Check any thread about the BAH and you will see people claim it is a copyright issue. That is the kind of think I am trying to weed out. I am sorry if the nuance is of my postings is lost on you. Again, not my problem.
Quoting Al as a source is laughable. HH had great sources back then and maybe still does but he is much more careful if so. His info is much more reliable. The billion was not approved but the decision to create a DCA 2.0 had been made by 4 years ago. The scale of it was being decided not whether it would happen. I'm glad to see they did not go with the very bluesky gateless option. (There was also talk of doing the same with World Showcase or creating 2 parks out of Epcot (not a reference to the design origins). Now that would offer some interesting scenarios although I know it will never happen).
Finally, Lee is not some infallable guru that sits above everyone and can never be questioned. Not sure where the heck that got started. He has been wrong in the past and I know he would admit that. If he wants to be the resident inside baseball source he should be willing to respond to those of us who question some of his information.
jt04
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Never claimed to be. That is why I question so much. I'm trying to get more informed.
jt04
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Brilliant deduction Watson.
I would be shocked if Fall of 2011 brings anything with that big construction wall in the way. Or will the picnic grounds be open by then?
SeaCastle
Well-Known Member
We also ask you to provide substance for your claims and you've consistently resisted doing so. (It's not that hard to take a screenshot, open up Paint, and draw some circles where those foundations are.
) I would like to think my posts are quite logical, as opposed to yours that suggest conspiracy theories, or are full of hot air. Remember when you said, " I mostly write for the entertainment of a band of lurkers who shall remain anonymous,"? I sure do. What you're posting seems nothing sort of trolling. I re-state insider information not for my own benefit, but for those that missed it before. When possible, I say "according to Lee" or "according to Martin" etc. to make sure that I don't come across as an insider (which I'm not). Unlike you, I'm not here to build my reputation like you are. I'm here to discuss Disney World. Whether or not you choose to believe those insiders is not my problem, but don't shoot the messenger.
So, Al Lutz isn't a reputable source when it comes to Disneyland? It certainly doesn't explain why his track record is virtually spotless. (And before you point out what he said about Star Tours II/Fantasyland, our insiders were saying the same things he were. Yes, management in Orlando reportedly wanted the bare-bones version of the Star Tours II upgrade, and things change, of course. That's not the "insiders" fault, it's just the way the mop flops.
Also, according to Honor Hunter, in 2006 they were still deciding between the 2.0 and the gateless option. Both were bluesky at that point. It's perfectly okay to admit you're wrong. Until you can find me some sort of link to prove yourself correct, I'm calling your bluff, again. (Like I did with your Downtown Disney conspiracy and the "other" leaked Fantasyland plans.)
I never said he was an "infallible guru". I know just as well as you do that insiders can be wrong. I did say that when Lee says something that you contradict, you say that whatever he says isn't true, yet for everything else you go along with it. Lee has done a fine job of dealing with your questioning his information, and since no other insiders are contradicting what he's saying about FLE, you can be pretty sure he's not providing BS.
You may choose to ignore and not answer my posts challenging your baseless claims, asking for proof, or debunking your "facts", but I'll still be doing just that. As long as you don't provide any evidence to back yourself up, none of us have any reason to believe you.
jt04
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We also ask you to provide substance for your claims and you've consistently resisted doing so. (It's not that hard to take a screenshot, open up Paint, and draw some circles where those foundations are.
I re-state insider information not for my own benefit, but for those that missed it before. When possible, I say "according to Lee" or "according to Martin" etc. to make sure that I don't come across as an insider (which I'm not). Unlike you, I'm not here to build my reputation like you are. I'm here to discuss Disney World. Whether or not you choose to believe those insiders is not my problem, but don't shoot the messenger.
So, Al Lutz isn't a reputable source when it comes to Disneyland? It certainly doesn't explain why his track record is virtually spotless. (And before you point out what he said about Star Tours II/Fantasyland, our insiders were saying the same things he were. Yes, management in Orlando reportedly wanted the bare-bones version of the Star Tours II upgrade, and things change, of course. That's not the "insiders" fault, it's just the way the mop flops.
Also, according to Honor Hunter, in 2006 they were still deciding between the 2.0 and the gateless option. Both were bluesky at that point. It's perfectly okay to admit you're wrong. Until you can find me some sort of link to prove yourself correct, I'm calling your bluff, again. (Like I did with your Downtown Disney conspiracy and the "other" leaked Fantasyland plans.)
I never said he was an "infallible guru". I know just as well as you do that insiders can be wrong. I did say that when Lee says something that you contradict, you say that whatever he says isn't true, yet for everything else you go along with it. Lee has done a fine job of dealing with your questioning his information, and since no other insiders are contradicting what he's saying about FLE, you can be pretty sure he's not providing BS.
You may choose to ignore and not answer my posts challenging your baseless claims, asking for proof, or debunking your "facts", but I'll still be doing just that. As long as you don't provide any evidence to back yourself up, none of us have any reason to believe you.
It is tiring reading your posts as it is but overwhelming when they are so filled with false assumptions.
But I will make you a deal. Go to chit chat, post one point at a time and I will answer each. But only one at a time until you understand the subject and my opinion on it.
MotherOfBirds
Well-Known Member
Can a moderator just shut this thread down already? I come here looking for updates and it's nothing but an unproductive ing match.
jt04
Well-Known Member
That is why we started a thread in chit chat. There is a thread called "just the facts" you might like better. This thread is for is for speculation.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
Or just ban the problem. He's one of the reasons so many good posters have left this site, and one of the reasons I barely come here anymore.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Yeah JT why must you always be so irritating?
Group think scares me. Plus I'm from the "question everything" school of thought.
No sheeple I.
NoChesterHester
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Group think scares me. Plus I'm from the "question everything" school of thought.
No sheeple I.
I don't have an issue with questioning things. It would be good however to have a substance to the claims, or make the "questions" more specific. It appears all you want to do is just stir up the pot.
Blindly stating that the project is behind, without any knowledge of the actual construction schedule, and then standing by the claim is lunacy.
This thread is like arguing over the color of beige or off-white...
juan
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its mother-of-pearl:fork: