What happened to pretty Spaceship Earth?

Victor Kelly

Victor Kelly

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The third shift cuts are flat out stupid. But it segways into the all the other maintenance woes we have all discussed at one time or another.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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WDW Monorail said:
I just don't understand this place. People complain if things don't get cleaned and people complain when things are in the process of being cleaned. There is zero sense on this board anymore.
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No, it's the incompetent maintenance planning. If it takes 80 manhours to clean and have 8 hours available, you need a minimum of 10 cleaners on the job. Better to have 11 or 12 cleaners to provide relief.
 
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WDW Monorail

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Captain Neo said:
Did you even read what I said?
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Yes. Not sure why you have an issue with what I said.

alphac2005 said:
I think part of the issue is that cleaning and maintenance used to have such adequate personnel and budgets that things were taken care of rapidly and never noticed by nary a visitor. I'd love to know how many crew members used to power wash SSE at a time in the past vs. today's value standards at the parks. The massive cutting in third shift cleaning and maintaining have been well documented. So, instead of a day of dirt on SSE it becomes days and so forth with the current TDO standards. I think that's the point that many are getting at.
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This same process has been going on for years. Guests have always noticed it, but it was only reported a couple of times on this website. Today, anybody with a phone can take a picture of something and post it on this website, or at least make a comment about something in real time. There was a time on this board when some kind of work was being done and people were interested about the work. They would say how excellent it was done or how something mundane was being done which is completely unexpected by the casual visitor. Now that the same exact work is still being done, people immediately say it's not good enough or it's taking too long to do. Or that work that isn't supposed to be visible is actually visible. Painting used to be done during the day in MK in plain view of guests and no one had a problem with it.... except guests liked to intrude on the painter's space. Now that most touch up painting is done 3rd shift, people complain and say that there actually isn't any painting going on because it is no longer visible to day guests.
The other part of your post will be answered below.

Nubs70 said:
No, it's the incompetent maintenance planning. If it takes 80 manhours to clean and have 8 hours available, you need a minimum of 10 cleaners on the job. Better to have 11 or 12 cleaners to provide relief.
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That's retarded. Only a couple of people are certified/willing to work at that height on a lift. The anchor at the very top of the sphere is only capable of supporting two workers. One does the power washing and the other is there to save is if he falls. Equipment capable of operating at that height is also extremely limited.
The expectations of certain people are absolutely absurd.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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WDW Monorail said:
That's retarded. Only a couple of people are certified/willing to work at that height on a lift. The anchor at the very top of the sphere is only capable of supporting two workers. One does the power washing and the other is there to save is if he falls. Equipment capable of operating at that height is also extremely limited.
The expectations of certain people are absolutely absurd.
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Obviously you have never been on a construction site and seen the Mohawk steel riggers. They are willing to walk and assemble steel without restraints. So I think there a several hundred of persons willing and able to do this job.

If the available anchor point only supports 2 people, why not install more anchor points?

It is even more retarded to think the 2nd person can catch the first in case of a fall. Does #2 carry a large fishing net? If #1 is in a harness and tied off to the aforementioned anchor point, he cannot fall.
 
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Nubs70 said:
Obviously you have never been on a construction site and seen the Mohawk steel riggers. They are willing to walk and assemble steel without restraints. So I think there a several hundred of persons willing and able to do this job.

If the available anchor point only supports 2 people, why not install more anchor points?

It is even more retarded to think the 2nd person can catch the first in case of a fall. Does #2 carry a large fishing net? If #1 is in a harness and tied off to the aforementioned anchor point, he cannot fall.
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Sure there are people all over the world able to do the work. But not many in Central Florida. It's a once yearly job so if several people are hired for it, they're out once the job is done. *EDIT* One of the handful of things the company was written up for by OSHA following the monorail accident was that a worker was observed not wearing a fall prevention harness above a certain height. The gear was available, but he was not wearing it when he was observed.

That's how it was designed. Could more be added? I don't know. One seems to be good enough for the job.

So if #1 does fall, is injured and unable to work is way back to the top, what happens? #2 doesn't literally catch him. He's there for spotting and safety.
 
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CDavid

CDavid

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WDW Monorail said:
This same process has been going on for years. Guests have always noticed it, but it was only reported a couple of times on this website. Today, anybody with a phone can take a picture of something and post it on this website, or at least make a comment about something in real time. There was a time on this board when some kind of work was being done and people were interested about the work. They would say how excellent it was done or how something mundane was being done which is completely unexpected by the casual visitor. Now that the same exact work is still being done, people immediately say it's not good enough or it's taking too long to do. Or that work that isn't supposed to be visible is actually visible
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The sad fact is that we just don't trust Disney anymore. Back in the 1980's, for certain, we would have seen something like this and it would have been remarkable for being such a rarity - something dirty, broken, or otherwise "poor show" in Walt Disney World. Now, it's far too commonplace (even if this particular incident isn't an example) to see things that have been neglected or maintenance put off for budgetary reasons. Where once we would have given WDW the benefit of the doubt even if they didn't deserve it, and that a manager somewhere was embarrassed to have (unavoidable) "bad show" in public view, now we instead assume that same manager is only concerned about their annual bonus, and maintenance gets neglected to stay within (a too-tight) budget.

This cleaning - not neglect - isn't something of which to be critical, but there are so many examples of things which are (even in the same park), it's otherwise usually a safe assumption.
 
Victor Kelly

Victor Kelly

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CDavid said:
The sad fact is that we just don't trust Disney anymore. Back in the 1980's, for certain, we would have seen something like this and it would have been remarkable for being such a rarity - something dirty, broken, or otherwise "poor show" in Walt Disney World. Now, it's far too commonplace (even if this particular incident isn't an example) to see things that have been neglected or maintenance put off for budgetary reasons. Where once we would have given WDW the benefit of the doubt even if they didn't deserve it, and that a manager somewhere was embarrassed to have (unavoidable) "bad show" in public view, now we instead assume that same manager is only concerned about their annual bonus, and maintenance gets neglected to stay within (a too-tight) budget.

This cleaning - not neglect - isn't something of which to be critical, but there are so many examples of things which are (even in the same park), it's otherwise usually a safe assumption.
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Shame that people have become complacent with poor show. The 80's never saw this type of bad show ever.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Victor Kelly said:
Shame that people have become complacent with poor show. The 80's never saw this type of bad show ever.
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Nice dream, but untrue. It happened all the time in the 80's. It might or might not have gotten fixed quicker in the 80's, but amazingly things still went wrong. Shocking I know, but it even rained during parades. This all started as a conversation about something on the top of SSE. As far as I can tell, we only have speculation about what it was or where it came from. We have, however, had eye witness indications that it wasn't there before said date and wasn't there after (gone now). Key words...realistic expectations!
 
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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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WDW Monorail said:
Pressure washing begins from the lower parts of the sphere. Dirt is pushed up to the higher elevations and will eventually be rinsed off once the cleaning crew gets up there. It's not an easy job.
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What Genius at TDO thought up pressure washing from the bottom, Do they seriously think the laws of physics dont apply to them
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Goofyernmost said:
Nice dream, but untrue. It happened all the time in the 80's. I might or might not have gotten fixed quicker in the 80's, but amazingly things still went wrong. Shocking I know, but it even rained during parades. This all started as a conversation about something on the top of SSE. As far as I can tell, we only have speculation about what it was or where it came from. We have, however, had eye witness indications that it wasn't there before said date and wasn't there after (gone now). Key words...realistic expectations!
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But they did not LEAVE them in the failed state for months and years, which of course is the key difference
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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ford91exploder said:
But they did not LEAVE them in the failed state for months and years, which of course is the key difference
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I know that this happens, but, it is being painted with way to broad a brush. Certain things are left out for a while on a priority basis I have to assume, but not everything. Just to throw this out there, there is a pretty good chance the we all had so much pixie dust in our eyes back then that we didn't notice it. I remember an animatronic chicken on Tom Sawyer Island that wasn't working, it was filthy and looked like no one had even touched it for months... Surprise... 1983.
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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Goofyernmost said:
I know that this happens, but, it is being painted with way to broad a brush. Certain things are left out for a while on a priority basis I have to assume, but not everything. Just to throw this out there, there is a pretty good chance the we all had so much pixie dust in our eyes back then that we didn't notice it. I remember an animatronic chicken on Tom Sawyer Island that wasn't working, it was filthy and looked like no one had even touched it for months... Surprise... 1983.
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Which is why I take much of the complaining about Disney with a grain of salt. Another factor some may not think about is that until 1989 there were only two parks to deal with. Now they have 4 and the workforce to maintain all 4 is not going to be able to grow at an equal pace. Something has to give. The percentage of maintenance workers they have on staff now is likely less than in the 1980's even though it is more than they had then.
 

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