What a mess

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
There was good reason because not only was all the technology brand new to many of us plus, and this is important, the park was brand new or fairly new. If you buy a new car the degree of maintenance is small compared to as it ages. Same with the parks.
I'll push back on this statement a bit. Yes things that are old tend to need more work. But we've seen many examples of attractions being neglected when they are fairly new. I keep hearing about the effects that are down in rise. Or look at everest. Sure you can blame it on engineering. But why do we not have a solution? They just don't care.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I'll push back on this statement a bit. Yes things that are old tend to need more work. But we've seen many examples of attractions being neglected when they are fairly new. I keep hearing about the effects that are down in rise. Or look at everest. Sure you can blame it on engineering. But why do we not have a solution? They just don't care.
The problem with being concerned about hearing about effects that are down rising is because you don't hear about things that are working and you don't know how long something is down or when it happened and why it happened. We all hear about more stuff being down just because of discussion boards like this one. That doesn't necessarily mean that more thing break now then they did before. We are hearing about a moment in time and that is all. An hour later it might have been fixed or it might be something that has to wait until the park is closed for the night. It really means nothing. What is important is what we, individually see when we are there not what we hear about. One thing we can count on is when it comes to social media, exaggeration is a huge part of it.

Not everything is worth fixing. In this case Everest (Yeti) is not missed by anyone except those that knew it ever existed. There are times when the cost vastly exceeds the return. That was one of those Items. If you have an older daily driver of a car that needs the radio fixed, do you spare no expense to fix it immediately or do you do it when you get either the time or the money or the need to fix it. There is also sometimes that the owner/provider of the broken item just doesn't want to fix it for what could be a thousand reasons all of which are up to them to do or not to do. We have no control other than just refusing to pay them for your presence.

And the fact that more effects are down completely justifies saying that as things get older they require more maintenance and a lot of things in WDW, which just celebrated its 50th birthday, is no exception. The main thing is yes, there may be a lot of things that we see broken, but we are just there a fraction of the time that those things have existed. We might see things that just broke that day before we saw it, there might be other things that require ordering and waiting for parts. Yes, I know the old argument that if it's broken they should close the attraction down. Then, of course, we get the crowd that will whine like someone just made a your Mother joke because they saved all year and when they got there their favorite ride was closed down because one of the minor effects was broken. In this day and age it really is a waste of needed places for crowds to fan out. Other things might just be a matter of priority. The parks are open probably 12 plus hours a day and there are four big parks that all need overnight maintenance, not everything is of equal importance. The most important is done first. Anything dealing with safety must have top priority and having an animatronic not make the move as it should is not really a top of the list item. That is a as soon as we get time item.
 
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Lilofan

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I'll push back on this statement a bit. Yes things that are old tend to need more work. But we've seen many examples of attractions being neglected when they are fairly new. I keep hearing about the effects that are down in rise. Or look at everest. Sure you can blame it on engineering. But why do we not have a solution? They just don't care.
The exec that ran all of Engineering for a number of years was rewarded a few years ago and moved up the food chain to - President WDW.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Not everything is worth fixing. In this case Everest (Yeti) is not missed by anyone except those that knew it ever existed. There are times when the cost vastly exceeds the return. That was one of those Items.
I disagree with this a lot. It's missed by everyone who reads or watches anything from Disney about the ride.
From Disney

Yeti or Not, Here He Comes!​

Wander into a Tibetan village at the base of Mount Everest and board a train to the “top of the world.” Beware: Some say a legendary snow monster lives deep in the mountain.
After a steep ascent, your train picks up speed and races into the darkness. Without warning, a broken and twisted track appears in front of you. Brace yourself as you plummet backward into total darkness. Inside the cavern, the mythical tale comes true as you see the shadow of a massive, growling beast!
Race to escape the cursed mountain—before the Yeti claims another expedition.
If they don't care about the yeti, stop making it a part of the ride. I'm not advocating fixing the yeti to its original glory. I'm talking about coming up with something better than a $30 strobe light from spirit Halloween.
And the fact that more effects are down completely justifies saying that as things get older they require more maintenance and a lot of things in WDW, which just celebrated its 50th birthday, is no exception.
Again, I agree. But when a land is new, ie galaxys edge, why aren't they fixing those things? The answer is they don't want to pay for the budget to fix and maintain the parks.
 
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5thGenTexan

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I disagree with this a lot. It's missed by everyone who reads or watches anything from Disney about the ride.
From Disney

If they don't care about the yeti, stop making it a part of the ride. I'm not advocating fixing the yeti to its original glory. I'm talking about coming up with something better than a $30 strobe light from spirit Halloween.

Again, I agree. But when a land is new, ie galaxys edge, why aren't they fixing those things? The answer is they don't want to pay for the budget to fix and maintain the parks.

I rode Everest for the first time on Monday of this week. I couldnt tell you where the Yeti was even supposed to be. I know its a thing because I read here, but no clue after my one ride as to where it outta be.
 

erasure fan1

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I rode Everest for the first time on Monday of this week. I couldnt tell you where the Yeti was even supposed to be. I know its a thing because I read here, but no clue after my one ride as to where it outta be.
That's exactly why they either need to just get rid of the "encounter with a yeti" narrative. Or find a better solution than a strobe light.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Not everything is worth fixing. In this case Everest (Yeti) is not missed by anyone except those that knew it ever existed. There are times when the cost vastly exceeds the return. That was one of those Items.
I totally disagree with this opinion. With that mindset nothing should be fixed. “Yeah all the lights are burned out on small world but people don’t know they are missing dancing dolls unless they knew they existed.
 

Goofyernmost

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Again, I agree. But when a land is new, ie galaxys edge, why aren't they fixing those things? The answer is they don't want to pay for the budget to fix and maintain the parks.
That is your guess as to why somethings aren't fixed and it may be true, but it is their decision and you do have a choice if it is that important to you. However, from what I have been able to observe most of the stuff that is being mentioned is minor and really doesn't affect the vast majority of guests. I notice things, that I am aware of, if they aren't working, but it takes pretty close to three heart beats before it is forgotten. If ones inner child is allowed to surface the 99.9% of everything still functioning in the parks will override any concern about the .9% that isn't. It also allows one to realize that getting even a little upset about some mechanical object that breaks down is or should be firmly planted in ones adult sense of reality.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I totally disagree with this opinion. With that mindset nothing should be fixed. “Yeah all the lights are burned out on small world but people don’t know they are missing dancing dolls unless they knew they existed.
Consider the source of the comment you're responding to. If it doesn't matter to him, it shouldn't matter to anyone.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
That's exactly why they either need to just get rid of the "encounter with a yeti" narrative. Or find a better solution than a strobe light.
There is a better solution and it has been designed for 10+ years. But the suits won't provide the money to build it or install it.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
The problem with being concerned about hearing about effects that are down rising is because you don't hear about things that are working and you don't know how long something is down or when it happened and why it happened. We all hear about more stuff being down just because of discussion boards like this one. That doesn't necessarily mean that more thing break now then they did before. We are hearing about a moment in time and that is all. An hour later it might have been fixed or it might be something that has to wait until the park is closed for the night. It really means nothing. What is important is what we, individually see when we are there not what we hear about. One thing we can count on is when it comes to social media, exaggeration is a huge part of it.

Not everything is worth fixing. In this case Everest (Yeti) is not missed by anyone except those that knew it ever existed. There are times when the cost vastly exceeds the return. That was one of those Items. If you have an older daily driver of a car that needs the radio fixed, do you spare no expense to fix it immediately or do you do it when you get either the time or the money or the need to fix it. There is also sometimes that the owner/provider of the broken item just doesn't want to fix it for what could be a thousand reasons all of which are up to them to do or not to do. We have no control other than just refusing to pay them for your presence.

And the fact that more effects are down completely justifies saying that as things get older they require more maintenance and a lot of things in WDW, which just celebrated its 50th birthday, is no exception. The main thing is yes, there may be a lot of things that we see broken, but we are just there a fraction of the time that those things have existed. We might see things that just broke that day before we saw it, there might be other things that require ordering and waiting for parts. Yes, I know the old argument that if it's broken they should close the attraction down. Then, of course, we get the crowd that will whine like someone just made a your Mother joke because they saved all year and when they got there their favorite ride was closed down because one of the minor effects was broken. In this day and age it really is a waste of needed places for crowds to fan out. Other things might just be a matter of priority. The parks are open probably 12 plus hours a day and there are four big parks that all need overnight maintenance, not everything is of equal importance. The most important is done first. Anything dealing with safety must have top priority and having an animatronic not make the move as it should is not really a top of the list item. That is a as soon as we get time item.
I'll never understand why anyone purposefully stands up for mediocrity over excellence.
 

MagicRat

Well-Known Member
I'll never understand why anyone purposefully stands up for mediocrity over excellence.
I really hope you practice that in your everyday life. Typical message board behavior will respond by saying I am not a global multi billion dollar company.

If anybody wants to complain about something on Everest it’s the tacky hair bands at the top of the mountain. I would guess it would take a live in cast member up there to clean the mess on a daily basis because human trash will keep throwing them.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I'll never understand why anyone purposefully stands up for mediocrity over excellence.
Probably because the only people in this scenario that would be affected by mediocrity would be ourselves. Excellence is a pretty high bar that even the most motivated cannot always achieve. Therefore if we don't accept some degree below excellent we will always be unsatisfied. Now if we were in charge and we could force excellence without our having to sacrifice something that would be different. With a theme park no matter which one, excellence is a subjective determination. There are varying degrees of excellence and if we are not flexible we will surely grow ulcers.
 

WondersOfLife

Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Probably because the only people in this scenario that would be affected by mediocrity would be ourselves. Excellence is a pretty high bar that even the most motivated cannot always achieve. Therefore if we don't accept some degree below excellent we will always be unsatisfied. Now if we were in charge and we could force excellence without our having to sacrifice something that would be different. With a theme park no matter which one, excellence is a subjective determination. There are varying degrees of excellence and if we are not flexible we will surely grow ulcers.
My point being-- Strive for excellence. If there are no complaints, the standard will keep getting lower. Customers should always hold the company their are fans of accountable. Especially if that said company is going to charge such a high price.

If your pricing suggests #1 tourist destination in the world quality, then they should continue to try and be that same quality. 🤷‍♂️
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
If anybody wants to complain about something on Everest it’s the tacky hair bands at the top of the mountain.
Joe Rohde had a neat post about that a while back mentioning that it’s become a ritual not unlike the prayer flags.

I always thought it was a genius move to design the temple area so it made thematic sense for guests to throw coins into the area.
 

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