Wetland Use Expansion Permit

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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halltd said:
Do they have to specify where the impacts will come from...like specifically? IE: Will we eventually see a map that shows the impact like we've seen with the impact bore reports for the new roads?
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We will only see the details of the impacts when they submit permits for specific projects.
 
Mike730

Mike730

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danlb_2000 said:
@lentsta posted an interesting document over in the permits thread that relates to the SFWMD permit that this thread is about...



The original permit is requesting that Disney be allowed to impact more wetlands then originally allowed but it did not say where these impacts would be. The new documents explains roughly were these additional impacts will happen:

1. Magic Kingdom District: 169 acres
2. Epcot/Lake Buena Vista District: 59 acres
3. Studios/Sports district: 122 acres
4. Animal Kingdom District: 95 acres
5. Celebration West District: 89 acres
6. Celebration East District: 13 acres
7. Northwest District: 26 acres


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Is district 5 developable by Disney or is that out of bounds now that it's part of Celebration?
Seems like thats the largest cohesive area they have left besides Flamingo Crossings.
 
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bjm72385

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Not sure if this is the same thing that @Mike730 was asking about, but IF (and I know it's a big IF) they were to ever build a 5th gate, where on this map is there a big enough chunk of land to do so? District 7 near Flamingo Crossings area or maybe district 5 area? I'm not trying to drift off topic, but I'm unfamiliar with what all is planned for Flamingo Crossing other than a couple hotels they're currently building right?
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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bjm72385 said:
Not sure if this is the same thing that @Mike730 was asking about, but IF (and I know it's a big IF) they were to ever build a 5th gate, where on this map is there a big enough chunk of land to do so? District 7 near Flamingo Crossings area or maybe district 5 area? I'm not trying to drift off topic, but I'm unfamiliar with what all is planned for Flamingo Crossing other than a couple hotels they're currently building right?
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There is also a good sized chunk of land east of the speedway and west of MK. I am not sure what the long term plans are for that land beyond Flamingo Crossing. I am not sure why they would have allowed the low-end third part hotels to be built in that area if they eventually planned to put a park or other resorts out there. There was also a permit recently that showed their intention to build a road right through the middle of the land.

And I know people don't like this 5th gate talk, but since the current permit has a 30 year planning horizon, I think a 5th gate is very possible by then.
 
Crazydisneyfanluke

Crazydisneyfanluke

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danlb_2000 said:
There is also a good sized chunk of land east of the speedway and west of MK. I am not sure what the long term plans are for that land beyond Flamingo Crossing. I am not sure why they would have allowed the low-end third part hotels to be built in that area if they eventually planned to put a park or other resorts out there. There was also a permit recently that showed their intention to build a road right through the middle of the land.

And I know people don't like this 5th gate talk, but since the current permit has a 30 year planning horizon, I think a 5th gate is very possible by then.
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I could see it plausible by then. but at the rate WDW build things, they better start within the next year.... ;)
 
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bjm72385

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danlb_2000 said:
There is also a good sized chunk of land east of the speedway and west of MK. I am not sure what the long term plans are for that land beyond Flamingo Crossing. I am not sure why they would have allowed the low-end third part hotels to be built in that area if they eventually planned to put a park or other resorts out there. There was also a permit recently that showed their intention to build a road right through the middle of the land.

And I know people don't like this 5th gate talk, but since the current permit has a 30 year planning horizon, I think a 5th gate is very possible by then.
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That's the only reason I brought up the 5th gate talk bc it mentioned a 30 year plan. I would think the Flamingo Crossing area would make the most sense for a possible 5th gate if they ever built one since there is more than enough land out there for it and it would help to spread things out for traffic, etc., but I agree about the third party hotels that are being built in that area.

It's interesting that you mentioned the area east of the speedway as I had completely overlooked that as being enough land for a possible location, and it conveniently has the monorail passing right alongside it! I think that would make a perfect location if they tie in a monorail station with it and can figure out how to get traffic to work since that is right near the MK toll plaza.
 
halltd

halltd

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Two questions that I'm not sure are the best fit for this thread, but I figured I'd get a good answer here. :)
  1. As asked above, was "Celebration North - District 5" annexed away from RCID just like Celebration? If so, that area is going to most likely all be residential, right?
  2. Why wasn't Golden Oak annexed away (or was it)? If it wasn't, don't the residents there now have a say in whatever Disney does? If it was, why do the residents have to be notified of these wetland impacts?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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halltd said:
Two questions that I'm not sure are the best fit for this thread, but I figured I'd get a good answer here. :)
  1. As asked above, was "Celebration North - District 5" annexed away from RCID just like Celebration? If so, that area is going to most likely all be residential, right?
  2. Why wasn't Golden Oak annexed away (or was it)? If it wasn't, don't the residents there now have a say in whatever Disney does? If it was, why do the residents have to be notified of these wetland impacts?
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Golden Oak was deannexed years ago before Disney decided to spearhead the project.
 
halltd

halltd

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danlb_2000 said:
According to the map a posted a couple pages back, it's still within the bounds of RCID.
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That map doesn't make any sense, though. It shows Celebration within the boundary as well which we all know was annexed away from RCID. That's why I'm thoroughly confused as to why it's even included on RCID master plans still and also what's going on with Golden Oak.

Must. Scour. Internet. For. Information. :)
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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danlb_2000 said:
According to the map a posted a couple pages back, it's still within the bounds of RCID.
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halltd said:
That map doesn't make any sense, though. It shows Celebration within the boundary as well which we all know was annexed away from RCID. That's why I'm thoroughly confused as to why it's even included on RCID master plans still and also what's going on with Golden Oak.

Must. Scour. Internet. For. Information. :)
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Some deannexed areas are still serviced by Reedy Creek Improvement District and I also believe bound by some of the conservation commitments.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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halltd said:
That map doesn't make any sense, though. It shows Celebration within the boundary as well which we all know was annexed away from RCID. That's why I'm thoroughly confused as to why it's even included on RCID master plans still and also what's going on with Golden Oak.

Must. Scour. Internet. For. Information. :)
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The map doesn't show the RCID boundary, the yellow lines are the permit boundary which don't necessarily line up with the RCID boundry.
 
halltd

halltd

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danlb_2000 said:
The map doesn't show the RCID boundary, the yellow lines are the permit boundary which don't necessarily line up with the RCID boundry.
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I dug around the internet last night and found some maps showing the RCID boundary, so I'd agree with that statement. I'm still not entirely clear why the non-RCID parcels still show up on Disney permits and other notices like these wetlands, but that's probably something I'll never know.
 
bpiper

bpiper

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halltd said:
I dug around the internet last night and found some maps showing the RCID boundary, so I'd agree with that statement. I'm still not entirely clear why the non-RCID parcels still show up on Disney permits and other notices like these wetlands, but that's probably something I'll never know.
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Could it be land that Disney owns but hasn't been added yet to RCID for some reason?
 

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