WDW Surveys Guests: Gambling!

[Gail Hayden]

Now it is the city....a few posts up, you said it was a little of both.

You have every right to express your opinion, as do I. It is my opinion that you are wrong to blame the casinos in Biloxi for building in areas that you feel are not ideal.....the city has the final say for zoning, and the state most likely has final say for the permit to operate a gaming facility. If you don't like where they are built, take it up with the city/state.

Not only do the cities have to take responsibility for that, also the citizens for not lobbying hard enough for banning it. OR...the zoning commission for not listening, if there was enough public outrage.

It is very easy to blame a casino for building when the fault lies with zoning and the citizens.

 

[Indy95]

I just couldn't believe anyone would have the absolute gall to bring up gambling at such a hardcore family establishment as WDW. I don't care whose fault it is; be it casinos, zoning regulators, etc. This is just plain wrong, and EVERY party involved should be ashamed.

 

[speck76]

I just couldn't believe anyone would have the absolute gall to bring up gambling at such a hardcore family establishment as WDW.

Why?

 

[HennieBogan1966]

I'll go ya one better Speck, why does Disney NEED casinos?

 

[Enderikari]

I'll go ya one better Speck, why does Disney NEED casinos?

Doesn't fly, Why does Disney needs Mini-Golf Courses? Or Water Parks? Or umpteen-dozen resorts? 780 gift shops per park? A live-action film division(s)?

Disney makes its money by providing the best in entertainment for adults and kids everywhere. I'm not saying that Disney should build a huge eyesore like Atlantic City, or the Horseshoe; but a part of me would like to see what Marty Sklar's group could come up with along those lines

 

[STGRhost]

Doesn't fly, Why does Disney needs Mini-Golf Courses? Or Water Parks? Or umpteen-dozen resorts? 780 gift shops per park? A live-action film division(s)?

Disney makes its money by providing the best in entertainment for adults and kids everywhere. I'm not saying that Disney should build a huge eyesore like Atlantic City, or the Horseshoe; but a part of me would like to see what Marty Sklar's group could come up with along those lines

I also think this would be a bad idea. Disney (according to Disney) provides entertainment for FAMILIES. All the places mentioned above fit with that. As others have stated, there is no logical reason (other than Money$$) for Disney to build more attractions that cater only to adult guests. To me, it's another slap in the face for people who think of Disney as wholesome, family entertainment.

I've been to Vegas. It's a great place - in fact, we're planning another trip there soon. I've also lived and worked, as well as visitied, WDW. I love it there, too. For entirely different reasons.
Not once, while in WDW, can I remember thinking "Man, this is great, but I wish I could be playing blackjack right now." Nor did I, while in Vegas, think "Boy, I sure wish they had some Disney characters doing meet 'n greets - that would make this place perfect."

And Yes, I realize that 1 hypothetical casino does not Sin City make. But what's next? MKT's :animwink: brothel? Those are legal in Nevada (though not in Las Vegas proper), and certainly they appeal to adults entirely. Or drive-thru Elvis Mickey Wedding Chapel? The Imagineers could certainly do some amazing things with both of those concepts. couldn't they? What about a strip club at PI? Children couldn't get into one, of course, so what harm could it do? Heck, Mickey's of Hollywood (at the Studios) may want to consider selling lingerie (a la Frederick's). Surely with more adult entertainment, the revenue Disney is looking for would materialize.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm fairly liberal, and I think there's a time and a place for all the things I mentioned. I'm not arguing the morals of adults enjoying any of these places. I'm just questioning if Walt Disney World is an appropriate place for it. (And I don't have any kids, in case anyone is wondering.)

 

[tigsmom]

And we come back to the question....What constitutes a family? My idea may not be the same as yours. I have children, you do not, yet you still belong to a family, correct?
I see nothing wrong with one casino, built out of the parks and resorts, just like the mini golf courses. It will be available to those who wish to use it.
WDW provides child care for those who wish to use it (though I never have...personal choice), so no minor children would be admitted. A nice cabaret show thrown in there somewhere and you have a self contained unit.

 

[speck76]

I'll go ya one better Speck, why does Disney NEED casinos?

It would expand their entertainment options, offer visitors something different to experience, potentially tap into a new market that they currently do not appeal to...........

 

[speck76]

I also think this would be a bad idea. Disney (according to Disney) provides entertainment for FAMILIES. All the places mentioned above fit with that. As others have stated, there is no logical reason (other than Money$$) for Disney to build more attractions that cater only to adult guests. To me, it's another slap in the face for people who think of Disney as wholesome, family entertainment.

I've been to Vegas. It's a great place - in fact, we're planning another trip there soon. I've also lived and worked, as well as visitied, WDW. I love it there, too. For entirely different reasons.
Not once, while in WDW, can I remember thinking "Man, this is great, but I wish I could be playing blackjack right now." Nor did I, while in Vegas, think "Boy, I sure wish they had some Disney characters doing meet 'n greets - that would make this place perfect."

And Yes, I realize that 1 hypothetical casino does not Sin City make. But what's next? MKT's :animwink: brothel? Those are legal in Nevada (though not in Las Vegas proper), and certainly they appeal to adults entirely. Or drive-thru Elvis Mickey Wedding Chapel? The Imagineers could certainly do some amazing things with both of those concepts. couldn't they? What about a strip club at PI? Children couldn't get into one, of course, so what harm could it do? Heck, Mickey's of Hollywood (at the Studios) may want to consider selling lingerie (a la Frederick's). Surely with more adult entertainment, the revenue Disney is looking for would materialize.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm fairly liberal, and I think there's a time and a place for all the things I mentioned. I'm not arguing the morals of adults enjoying any of these places. I'm just questioning if Walt Disney World is an appropriate place for it. (And I don't have any kids, in case anyone is wondering.)

Your logic is flawed....you are falling down the slippery slope. We are not talking about strip clubs, wedding chapels, brothels.....they have nothing to do with casinos (besides, WDW already has a wedding chapel).

I will again ask "What is a family"?

One thing nobody here has mentioned is the Baby Boomer generation. This very large group of Americans are getting old. Most have older kids now, and their kids are either in college, or soon to be in college. Within 10 years, this large group of people will be retired, for the most part. What does WDW do to appeal to this group of people.....people that are fairly well off, have no kids, and have plenty of discretionary time and money?

 

[tigsmom]

Your logic is flawed....you are falling down the slippery slope. We are not talking about strip clubs, wedding chapels, brothels.....they have nothing to do with casinos (besides, WDW already has a wedding chapel).

I will again ask "What is a family"?

One thing nobody here has mentioned is the Baby Boomer generation. This very large group of Americans are getting old. Most have older kids now, and their kids are either in college, or soon to be in college. Within 10 years, this large group of people will be retired, for the most part. What does WDW do to appeal to this group of people.....people that are fairly well off, have no kids, and have plenty of discretionary time and money?

And I will add.....also enjoy spending time at WDW?

I fall into this Baby Boomer category and I can't wait for my first all "adult" trip. :wave:

 

[Gail Hayden]

I also think this would be a bad idea. Disney (according to Disney) provides entertainment for FAMILIES. All the places mentioned above fit with that. As others have stated, there is no logical reason (other than Money$$) for Disney to build more attractions that cater only to adult guests. To me, it's another slap in the face for people who think of Disney as wholesome, family entertainment.

I've been to Vegas. It's a great place - in fact, we're planning another trip there soon. I've also lived and worked, as well as visitied, WDW. I love it there, too. For entirely different reasons.
Not once, while in WDW, can I remember thinking "Man, this is great, but I wish I could be playing blackjack right now." Nor did I, while in Vegas, think "Boy, I sure wish they had some Disney characters doing meet 'n greets - that would make this place perfect."

And Yes, I realize that 1 hypothetical casino does not Sin City make. But what's next? MKT's :animwink: brothel? Those are legal in Nevada (though not in Las Vegas proper), and certainly they appeal to adults entirely. Or drive-thru Elvis Mickey Wedding Chapel? The Imagineers could certainly do some amazing things with both of those concepts. couldn't they? What about a strip club at PI? Children couldn't get into one, of course, so what harm could it do? Heck, Mickey's of Hollywood (at the Studios) may want to consider selling lingerie (a la Frederick's). Surely with more adult entertainment, the revenue Disney is looking for would materialize.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm fairly liberal, and I think there's a time and a place for all the things I mentioned. I'm not arguing the morals of adults enjoying any of these places. I'm just questioning if Walt Disney World is an appropriate place for it. (And I don't have any kids, in case anyone is wondering.)

It would be nice to have one place at WDW that did cater to adult guests only.
Does Disney "NEED" a casino? NO Would it make me crazy if they built one?
Yep, crazy with glee.
Some families have the values that make it a great day at the casino for the entire family. They cannot go into the gambling areas but there is a lot to do at the two here in CT. I don't agree or disagree with these "family values" I just see them as different from mine and you simply gotta love a country that has diversity.

 

[Gail Hayden]

And I will add.....also enjoy spending time at WDW?

I fall into this Baby Boomer category and I can't wait for my first all "adult" trip. :wave:

You are going to LOVE IT!!!! I fell into this category some time ago and I still love the trips with Dee and I.

 

[speck76]

You are going to LOVE IT!!!! I fell into this category some time ago and I still love the trips with Dee and I.

Question for you Gail:

Have your needs changed since you have started to visit sans children? Have your activities differed, or do you still follow a similar park schedule as you did when traveling with kids?

 

[Nicole]

Moral and magical issues aside, I don't think a casino at Disney will be very successful. Disney DID have an adults only area - Pleasure Island. And for whatever reason they have changed it to a kids-welcome area. My guess is because there weren't enough adults who either didn't have kids with them on the trip or were willing to pay childcare for the kids they brought.

I just think that there are lots of casinos around the country. People don't need to save for years to go to them. Yes, a casino at Disney might draw in people who are already there, but I don't know that it would attract people who otherwise wouldn't come to Disney. I think it would be a risky financial move to try it, and I'll be surprised if anything happens with a casino in the forseeable future.

On the other hand, I do agree with a previous poster who said that seeing what Imagineers could do with a casino would be great!

 

[speck76]

Moral and magical issues aside, I don't think a casino at Disney will be very successful. Disney DID have an adults only area - Pleasure Island. And for whatever reason they have changed it to a kids-welcome area. My guess is because there weren't enough adults who either didn't have kids with them on the trip or were willing to pay childcare for the kids they brought.

I just think that there are lots of casinos around the country. People don't need to save for years to go to them. Yes, a casino at Disney might draw in people who are already there, but I don't know that it would attract people who otherwise wouldn't come to Disney. I think it would be a risky financial move to try it, and I'll be surprised if anything happens with a casino in the forseeable future.

On the other hand, I do agree with a previous poster who said that seeing what Imagineers could do with a casino would be great!

Since when has Pleasure Island become kid-friendly?......you still have to be 18 or accompanied by an adult to access any building on the island, and a few of the clubs are still 21+ only.....this has always been the way that it is. The only thing that is different now is that they no longer charge to access the island, just to access the clubs....this was done due to competition from Citywalk, which has a similar policy.....this was not done to make the area more "kid-friendly".

 

[Nicole]

Well I haven't been to PI since the changes - just from what I've read here though I thought that there had been a problem with lots of kids and strollers and etc. at PI. Not necessarily in the clubs. My bad for going on hearsay.

 

[speck76]

Well I haven't been to PI since the changes - just from what I've read here though I thought that there had been a problem with lots of kids and strollers and etc. at PI. Not necessarily in the clubs. My bad for going on hearsay.

I have been there a bit lately......not really any kids running around to speak of, except some families cutting through to go from the Village to the West Side of DTD. The only negative drawback that bugs me is the 16 year old punks that hang out in front of the West End Stage, since they can not get into the clubs at all.

 

[Gail Hayden]

Question for you Gail:

Have your needs changed since you have started to visit sans children? Have your activities differed, or do you still follow a similar park schedule as you did when traveling with kids?

OH For sure!!!!
My park schedule now is much more laid back. We sleep late, eat late, play late, don't go to the parks every day. I take my time a take pictures, sit and watch people. It is totally different.

 

[speck76]

OH For sure!!!!
My park schedule now is much more laid back. We sleep late, eat late, play late, don't go to the parks every day. I take my time a take pictures, sit and watch people. It is totally different.

So, if potentially, if the parks were more focused on EVERYTHING being for families (and not OUR definition of families....), do you think you would enjoy the resort as much?

 

[Gail Hayden]

Moral and magical issues aside, I don't think a casino at Disney will be very successful. Disney DID have an adults only area - Pleasure Island. And for whatever reason they have changed it to a kids-welcome area. My guess is because there weren't enough adults who either didn't have kids with them on the trip or were willing to pay childcare for the kids they brought.

I just think that there are lots of casinos around the country. People don't need to save for years to go to them. Yes, a casino at Disney might draw in people who are already there, but I don't know that it would attract people who otherwise wouldn't come to Disney. I think it would be a risky financial move to try it, and I'll be surprised if anything happens with a casino in the forseeable future.

On the other hand, I do agree with a previous poster who said that seeing what Imagineers could do with a casino would be great!

It was never adults only, kids were always allowed with their parents. It has been advertised since day one as an adult themed park but, never exclusively adults.

There are, indeed, a lot of casinos all around the country, but, consider the guest who would like to see parks and a casino.

IMHO, it would probably be a draw to the families that have a dad who is not into Disney but enjoys playing Blackjack. Or the mom who is not a Disney fan but just loves slots. I think it would appeal to more than we think.

Just from my perspective, it would give me something to do when Dee is playing tennis and I don't want to play that day.