News Walt Disney World's COVID-19 reopening plans announced - July 11

nickys

Premium Member
There’s more then enough capacity for onsite resort guests, even with lower attendance restrictions.
Is there?

It depends on how much they restrict resort bookings. There are around 4,500 DVC rooms, approximately. That would be 18,000 at an average of 4 to a room but there are 2&3 bed villas in there too, so maybe 22,000 conservatively.

There are another 30,000 rooms on site. If they have half of them booked, that could be another 60,000 guests.

Everything hinges on the figures for the parks, which we don’t know yet.

I just don’t share your confidence.
 

DisneyCane

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First, that’s why there’s a prorated refund policy. If you don’t like it, you can have your money back.

I don’t think they “owe” anyone anything outside of the obligations of the purchase agreement.

That being said, and, to your point, yes, on site guests should have a priority. The AP, FL resident, Club 33, DVC is just an enhancement to the on site guest status.
Regarding the refund it depends what they actually consider the parks being reopened. If you paid in full you can get refunded for the period of closure. The way I read the email that mentions the AP preview is that reopening is 7/11 as far as passes go and that since we know you won't be happy to not get reservations a lot of the time while you have paid for your pass we are letting you be a beta tester for new procedures a few days before opening so that you won't complain.
 

sjhym333

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Just to add to the fun. Major League Soccer is in serious talks with Disney about using Wide World of Sports to start out their season in July in a similar way as the NBA. They are talking using resort rooms as housing.
 

pdude81

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These people think a mass email communication is a binding agreement...the prince of Nigeria also told them he is giving them their inheritance to the kingdom.

So Disney sends out an email to people saying they are marked for priority access to their new reservation system, and you think they should assume it's spam and forget about it? Maybe some of these people with tickets have a situation that is more like finding $20 on the street, but you are telling them it must be counterfeit because somebody else would have picked it up already.
 

DVCakaCarlF

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Regarding the refund it depends what they actually consider the parks being reopened. If you paid in full you can get refunded for the period of closure. The way I read the email that mentions the AP preview is that reopening is 7/11 as far as passes go and that since we know you won't be happy to not get reservations a lot of the time while you have paid for your pass we are letting you be a beta tester for new procedures a few days before opening so that you won't complain.
I would think issues would only come up for those with premier or plus passes...I believe those have no black out dates.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
Are you talking to me? Or the guy standing behind me?

...I’m not for limits and reductions of pricing?

Must have you wrong then. My apologies, not trying to misrepresent your position. I feel like your expectation of them is always going to be raising prices and making more money, and that being inherently a good thing. But sometimes I confuse people with their nemeses on these deeper threads and the (what seemed like it would be) never ending Fox acquisition drama.
 
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DVCakaCarlF

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So Disney sends out an email to people saying they are marked for priority access to their new reservation system, and you think they should assume it's spam and forget about it? Maybe some of these people with tickets have a situation that is more like finding $20 on the street, but you are telling them it must be counterfeit because somebody else would have picked it up already.
Not the same...and, to your point, that $20.00 on the street was either a stroke or luck or a gift, it wasn’t a transaction.

I’m not saying it’s a matter or character or ethics, it’s a matter of contract.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
Yes, but some people have got that email with APs that expired two years ago. That, coupled with the tweet now that I know who she is, makes me nervous.

Exactly! It says they have tickets and they don’t. And if the tweet is true, they are SOL.

The other thing that could be at play here is ADR's. Perhaps their email lumps all these things in together as if they were all "tickets" and it's just written poorly.
 

Mainahman

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Woke up and my package had been altered to the standard package with no dining. No email, but their emails are so wonky ill likely get it next week LOL.
 

pdude81

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Is there?

It depends on how much they restrict resort bookings. There are around 4,500 DVC rooms, approximately. That would be 18,000 at an average of 4 to a room but there are 2&3 bed villas in there too, so maybe 22,000 conservatively.

There are another 30,000 rooms on site. If they have half of them booked, that could be another 60,000 guests.

Everything hinges on the figures for the parks, which we don’t know yet.

I just don’t share your confidence.

Logistically they can't open all the resorts. They need those buses to be taking a lot less people every run. Also just by looking at DVC inventory a lot of people are cancelling because they don't want to go in these conditions. So if the same is happening with cash guests and they have frozen new reservations to people who are ok with restrictions, then they might be able to have far fewer hotels open.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Must have you wrong then. My apologies, not trying to misrepresent your position. I feel like your expectation of them is always going to be raising prices and making more money, and that being inherently a good thing. But sometimes I confuse people with their nemeses on these deeper threads and the (what seemed like it would be) never ending Fox acquisition drama.
You’re half right...I fully expect increases and squeezes. But I never agree with them. I believe they are burning out their fan base and will have problems in the future.
 
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Mainahman

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Logistically they can't open all the resorts. They need those buses to be taking a lot less people every run. Also just by looking at DVC inventory a lot of people are cancelling because they don't want to go in these conditions. So if the same is happening with cash guests and they have frozen new reservations to people who are ok with restrictions, then they might be able to have far fewer hotels open.
Thats the logic that comes to my mind too, to me they would want to move people to resorts with other modes of transportation if they can. Monorails, Ferries, Skyliner, just to further reduce the busses that they do have to run from going all over property.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Is there?

It depends on how much they restrict resort bookings. There are around 4,500 DVC rooms, approximately. That would be 18,000 at an average of 4 to a room but there are 2&3 bed villas in there too, so maybe 22,000 conservatively.

There are another 30,000 rooms on site. If they have half of them booked, that could be another 60,000 guests.

Everything hinges on the figures for the parks, which we don’t know yet.

I just don’t share your confidence.
One thing we don’t know for sure is whether the non-Disney partner hotels are offered the same benefit as on property guests. Assuming they are not in the mix there are only about 24,000 Disney hotel rooms. I agree on the 4 per room for DVC. I would assume the average hotel room is closer to 3 people with some individuals, lots of couples and families of 3 mixed in with families of 4. Outside of the family suites it’s hard to sleep more than 4 to a room. So based on that math and half the rooms full that‘s 36,000 plus 18,000 for DVC or 54,000 total. If we assume a park capacity of 15,000 that gets you to 60,000 total capacity so plenty to spare. That also assumes nobody goes to Universal or Sea World or somewhere else off property or decides to spend the day golfing and/or at the pool and/or shopping at DS. In reality some portion of on property guests won’t go to a park each day.

On the DVC front the actual number of rooms used will be well under 4,500 for the first few months. Going on the tool today for the first month the 4 parks are open there is availability at every resort for either a studio or 1 BR villa for almost every day. Unheard of in years past. That doesn’t tell us how many rooms are available, but since they relaxed the use year expiration I think a lot of people have pushed back to the fall/winter in the hopes that some of the restrictions will be lifted or at least it will be less oppressive to wear a mask when the weather is less hot and humid. In other words while park capacity is at its lowest in the first few months after reopen DVC will not be at its usual 95% occupancy.

I used this list from touring plans to come up with number of rooms:
 

Mainahman

Well-Known Member
One thing we don’t know for sure is whether the non-Disney partner hotels are offered the same benefit as on property guests. Assuming they are not in the mix there are only about 24,000 Disney hotel rooms. I agree on the 4 per room for DVC. I would assume the average hotel room is closer to 3 people with some individuals, lots of couples and families of 3 mixed in with families of 4. Outside of the family suites it’s hard to sleep more than 4 to a room. So based on that math and half the rooms full that‘s 36,000 plus 18,000 for DVC or 54,000 total. If we assume a park capacity of 15,000 that gets you to 60,000 total capacity so plenty to spare. That also assumes nobody goes to Universal or Sea World or somewhere else off property or decides to spend the day golfing and/or at the pool and/or shopping at DS. In reality some portion of on property guests won’t go to a park each day.

On the DVC front the actual number of rooms used will be well under 4,500 for the first few months. Going on the tool today for the first month the 4 parks are open there is availability at every resort for either a studio or 1 BR villa for almost every day. Unheard of in years past. That doesn’t tell us how many rooms are available, but since they relaxed the use year expiration I think a lot of people have pushed back to the fall/winter in the hopes that some of the restrictions will be lifted or at least it will be less oppressive to wear a mask when the weather is less hot and humid. In other words while park capacity is at its lowest in the first few months after reopen DVC will not be at its usual 95% occupancy.

I used this list from touring plans to come up with number of rooms:
I was looking for that list last night! Now i have it! Take us for example. we Arrive august 9th. Day 1 for us is not parks, but its pool and relax. we then have 5 days of parks. then that saturday morning we get up and we drive back. i think thats pretty common, so we need an extra night of hotel, vs our parks.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Just to add to the fun. Major League Soccer is in serious talks with Disney about using Wide World of Sports to start out their season in July in a similar way as the NBA. They are talking using resort rooms as housing.
There should be plenty of places they could go. Any hotel with a DVC attached will be open for Disney guests. Outside of that some combination of resorts won’t be open right away. Probably 2 of the 5 values are open. 1 or 1.5 moderates and all of the deluxe except maybe YC with a possibility CR doesn’t open and just the main concourse stays open for BLT. Based on that there’s a number of possible resorts that will be sitting vacant anyway even if NBA takes one (likely CSR). MLS also doesn’t have the security risk the NBA has. The players aren’t at the same level of celebrity as basketball.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I was looking for that list last night! Now i have it! Take us for example. we Arrive august 9th. Day 1 for us is not parks, but its pool and relax. we then have 5 days of parks. then that saturday morning we get up and we drive back. i think thats pretty common, so we need an extra night of hotel, vs our parks.
I think that’s pretty common on check-in and check-out days. Plus a lot of people tack on days at Universal or Sea World and it’s hot in July or Aug so a pool day is also common. In normal times when the convention business is booming there are lots of rooms filled with individuals traveling for work who never visit a theme park at all. These are not normal times and I assume the convention business is at or close to zero right now.
 

the_rich

Well-Known Member
There should be plenty of places they could go. Any hotel with a DVC attached will be open for Disney guests. Outside of that some combination of resorts won’t be open right away. Probably 2 of the 5 values are open. 1 or 1.5 moderates and all of the deluxe except maybe YC with a possibility CR doesn’t open and just the main concourse stays open for BLT. Based on that there’s a number of possible resorts that will be sitting vacant anyway even if NBA takes one (likely CSR). MLS also doesn’t have the security risk the NBA has. The players aren’t at the same level of celebrity as basketball.
What resort is CR?
 

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