News Walt Disney World's COVID-19 reopening plans announced - July 11

nickys

Premium Member
Logistically they can't open all the resorts. They need those buses to be taking a lot less people every run. Also just by looking at DVC inventory a lot of people are cancelling because they don't want to go in these conditions. So if the same is happening with cash guests and they have frozen new reservations to people who are ok with restrictions, then they might be able to have far fewer hotels open.

I know they can’t open all resorts, I suggested 50% capacity. But until we see how many are open, there is no way to know if the parks can cope with all onsite guests.

From the email they sent to AP holders, Disney think it will be tight. Which means people who delayed getting tickets may not get the parks the rest of their party booked.

To me it’s better to warn people they should get tickets now is better than telling them everything will be fine and not to worry.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I know they can’t open all resorts, I suggested 50% capacity. But until we see how many are open, there is no way to know if the parks can cope with all onsite guests.

From the email they sent to AP holders, Disney think it will be tight. Which means people who delayed getting tickets may not get the parks the rest of their party booked.

To me it’s better to warn people they should get tickets now is better than telling them everything will be fine and not to worry.
I also think the AP warning was partially an attempt to get AP holders to book park reservations as far in advance as possible and a way to set expectations that you won’t be able to just blanket book a park every day. They don’t want people waiting until the day of and then showing up at the parks without a reservation thinking they will get in. They also don’t want people to not book a hotel room because parks are already reserved and then have a bunch of AP holders never show up.

I really think the first week or 2 may be an issue with all of the lifestylers and people wanting to be there for the reopening. After that maybe just DHS with the SW stuff will present a problem. Once we hit mid August and Southern schools go back demand will drop again.
 

Mainahman

Well-Known Member
I also think the AP warning was partially an attempt to get AP holders to book park reservations as far in advance as possible and a way to set expectations that you won’t be able to just blanket book a park every day. They don’t want people waiting until the day of and then showing up at the parks without a reservation thinking they will get in. They also don’t want people to not book a hotel room because parks are already reserved and then have a bunch of AP holders never show up.

I really think the first week or 2 may be an issue with all of the lifestylers and people wanting to be there for the reopening. After that maybe just DHS with the SW stuff will present a problem. Once we hit mid August and Southern schools go back demand will drop again.


I think my biggest question thus far, is how far are we booking parks. Take AK for example. If i booked it for tuesday of my trip a 60 days out, yet when i get on campus and it looks like rain that day, and a washout, ill want to move days around like i normally would, is that something that they are accounting for, or will it be a week out or even 10 days out etc.

Cant wait for Disney to fill us in.
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
Premium Member
I think my biggest question thus far, is how far are we booking parks. Take AK for example. If i booked it for tuesday of my trip a 60 days out, yet when i get on campus and it looks like rain that day, and a washout, ill want to move days around like i normally would, is that something that they are accounting for, or will it be a week out or even 10 days out etc.

Cant wait for Disney to fill us in.
There is little to no possibility that you will be able to change parks on a whim the day of, at least initially. Everyone is going to be booking at 60 days, and I doubt that Disney will hold any day of reservations for the parks. Again, initially. Once they start adding capacity each week like Shanghai has, then it might be a bit easier, but not much.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I think my biggest question thus far, is how far are we booking parks. Take AK for example. If i booked it for tuesday of my trip a 60 days out, yet when i get on campus and it looks like rain that day, and a washout, ill want to move days around like i normally would, is that something that they are accounting for, or will it be a week out or even 10 days out etc.

Cant wait for Disney to fill us in.
I don’t think they will prevent you from switching which park you have reserved up until the day of arrival but it will be based on availability. If you have AK booked 60 days out and want to switch to DHS on the day of that may be a problem if DHS is already sold out. EPCOT will almost always have extra capacity based on physical size and popularity. AK will Probably be good too. DHS is the smallest with the most new rides and a lot of shows down so problematic. MK is the most popular park but has a lot of ride capacity. I think it will depend on the day and how soon capacity ramps up but my thought Is that DHS will be the biggest and maybe the only issue.
 

DisneyCane

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I would think issues would only come up for those with premier or plus passes...I believe those have no black out dates.

My Gold pass isn't blacked out during the summer during a time that might be very difficult to get a reserved slot. I don't typically go very often during July and August because it is hotter than the surface of the sun, more humid than a sauna and crowded but my pass is supposed to include those days.
 

Mainahman

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I don’t think they will prevent you from switching which park you have reserved up until the day of arrival but it will be based on availability. If you have AK booked 60 days out and want to switch to DHS on the day of that may be a problem if DHS is already sold out. EPCOT will almost always have extra capacity based on physical size and popularity. AK will Probably be good too. DHS is the smallest with the most new rides and a lot of shows down so problematic. MK is the most popular park but has a lot of ride capacity. I think it will depend on the day and how soon capacity ramps up but my thought Is that DHS will be the biggest and maybe the only issue.
That makes sense. I didnt factor in size well i guess. I always forget how gigantic AK really is when it comes down to it.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
But why cancel the dining plans ? I see no reason.
Eliminating Dining Plans is all about capacity management. At this time, they have no idea what the capacity of a given restaurant is going to be on any given day in the future. They don't know if they will have 25%, 75% or 100% capacity on the date you might want to visit. If they've sold/given away dining plans and they have no restaurant seating capacity to support them, they'll have a nightmare on their hands. The only practical way to allow them to adjust as they go and not make poor choices due to sales of dining plans is eliminate all of that and manage capacity as it changes.
 

Mainahman

Well-Known Member
Eliminating Dining Plans is all about capacity management. At this time, they have no idea what the capacity of a given restaurant is going to be on any given day in the future. They don't know if they will have 25%, 75% or 100% capacity on the date you might want to visit. If they've sold/given away dining plans and they have no restaurant seating capacity to support them, they'll have a nightmare on their hands. The only practical way to allow them to adjust as they go and not make poor choices due to sales of dining plans is eliminate all of that and manage capacity as it changes.
The more and more i thought about it over the last few days, it makes total sense. We usually only get the QSDP because we like the convenience, and we only get it when others are with us. If its my wife and I, we just get platters and share, as we usually dont eat alot in the parks. However seeing that price drop off my reservation this morning was nice ha! With 2 teenage food vacuums on this trip, it would of been a nice convenience, but it was just that. Ultimately your paying for food either way, so honestly not having it gives me more flexibility.
 

Animaniac93-98

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Eliminating Dining Plans is all about capacity management. At this time, they have no idea what the capacity of a given restaurant is going to be on any given day in the future. They don't know if they will have 25%, 75% or 100% capacity on the date you might want to visit. If they've sold/given away dining plans and they have no restaurant seating capacity to support them, they'll have a nightmare on their hands. The only practical way to allow them to adjust as they go and not make poor choices due to sales of dining plans is eliminate all of that and manage capacity as it changes.

Except "Free Dining" was an incentive for people to rebook following the initial COVID closure, and now it's being taken away.

Is a room only discount being offered instead?
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
To all of you worried about getting park reservations, remember this is the same company who thought massive crowds would descend on DHS one year ago. I predict DHS will be difficult in the short term and resort guests will take nearly all of those, MK will be problematic on weekends, but I suspect AK will be easy to get for the most part, and I will not be surprised if Epcot is open to park hopping at least in the early afternoon day of.

It still sounds like a miserable experience to me, hope you all enjoy...
 
Eliminating Dining Plans is all about capacity management. At this time, they have no idea what the capacity of a given restaurant is going to be on any given day in the future. They don't know if they will have 25%, 75% or 100% capacity on the date you might want to visit. If they've sold/given away dining plans and they have no restaurant seating capacity to support them, they'll have a nightmare on their hands. The only practical way to allow them to adjust as they go and not make poor choices due to sales of dining plans is eliminate all of that and manage capacity as it changes.

Business-wise, making that decision is a symptom of having a management problem in your company. if to control the capacity you have to reset your entire reservation system because you panic, you simply need new managers for the parks. It requires all QS or TS restaurants by prior reservation with a minimum of 15 days notice.with just that gesture you can previously calculate the total capacity according to the rules of social distancing.It is absurd and illogical to lose millions of dollars for your company when you could win this money them with total security for your guests.
 

LuvtheGoof

DVC Guru
Premium Member
Business-wise, making that decision is a symptom of having a management problem in your company. if to control the capacity you have to reset your entire reservation system because you panic, you simply need new managers for the parks. It requires all QS or TS restaurants by prior reservation with a minimum of 15 days notice.with just that gesture you can previously calculate the total capacity according to the rules of social distancing.It is absurd and illogical to lose millions of dollars for your company when you could win this money them with total security for your guests.
Sorry, but I have to completely disagree. They have been planning a completely new reservation system for over a year. They talked about it at D23 last year, and stated that it would be rolled out later this year. They are adding the capability to do park reservations, and moving up the timeline for release, so that it can be used once the parks are open.

As far as removing all of the TS reservations, well, they had to do that, as in all likelehood, there were already to many reservations to handle if they could only open with 25% or 50% or even 75% capacity. So how do you make it fair for everyone again? You cancel them all, and then at 60 days, people will be allowed to remake their ADRs, and their system will know exactly what the capacity is, so as to not give out too many reservations. If they hadn't removed them, how do you decide who gets to keep their reservation, and who gets bumped? Better to be fair to everyone to start over.
 

donsullivan

Premium Member
Business-wise, making that decision is a symptom of having a management problem in your company. if to control the capacity you have to reset your entire reservation system because you panic, you simply need new managers for the parks. It requires all QS or TS restaurants by prior reservation with a minimum of 15 days notice.with just that gesture you can previously calculate the total capacity according to the rules of social distancing.It is absurd and illogical to lose millions of dollars for your company when you could win this money them with total security for your guests.
You are choosing to completely miss the point and just go for negativity. At the most basic level, you cannot sell a seat for dining if you do not know how many seats will be available on any given date in the future. At this time they do not know how many seats will be available on any given date at any given location in the future so the responsible thing to do is take the advance sale of those seats away. Then they can manage capacity as they go and as the occupancy thresholds increase more people can visit a particular dining location.

As I've said before, everything about a visit to Walt Disney World is going to be different than everyone remembers. You must let go of everything you knew about planning a trip and be ready for things to change rapidly and often.
 

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