News Walt Disney World's COVID-19 reopening plans announced - July 11

[DVCakaCarlF]

They’re giving you the chance to get you money back. And it sounds like you should take it.

If you want business as usual flexibility and then compensate you when it doesn’t happen...they aren’t gonna play that game.

It logistically doesn’t work. When you’re booked 90% every day of the year and then shut down for 4 months...the number cannot work as normal.

They drew a rather hard line on dvc. They are doing the same with APs...

If you want to express displeasure...remember to vote with your wallet! The only language that will work. Don’t run back.

These are the same people that stand in the guest services line for hours , instead of enjoying the vacation with their families over $19.87 in “displeasure.”

 

[GoofGoof]

There’s more then enough capacity for onsite resort guests, even with lower attendance restrictions.

That’s what I’m thinking too. It’s not a big deal if people with hotel reservations and park tickets go before those with reservations and no park tickets. Everyone gets in. There’s no benefit to reserving first as long as there is enough capacity.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

People need to be aware that the email has been sent to some without park tickets, with expired APs as well as those with valid tickets or APs. In other words, don’t assume because you got the email you’ll get priority.



If that tweet is from a genuine Disney source, that sucks! I don’t know who that person is. There are all kinds of reasons why people may not already have tickets. I know of some cases where some people in their party have APs but not everyone. They will be seriously upset if they cannot book for everyone.

But keeping some resorts closed will help. I would hope that those with reservations already will all be able to get into a park each day.

These people think a mass email communication is a binding agreement...the prince of Nigeria also told them he is giving them their inheritance to the kingdom.

 

[GoofGoof]

These people think a mass email communication is a binding agreement...the prince of Nigeria also told them he is giving them their inheritance to the kingdom.

Wait...I’m not getting that inheritance??? Next thing you will tell me is the tooth fairy isn’t real either. Fake News for sure

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There’s more then enough capacity for onsite resort guests, even with lower attendance restrictions.

That’s what I’m thinking too. It’s not a big deal if people with hotel reservations and park tickets go before those with reservations and no park tickets. Everyone gets in. There’s no benefit to reserving first as long as there is enough capacity.

There’s about 35,000 onsite rooms...very few single occupancy.

Full resort capacity would swarm these park limits they’re hinting at.

Still work to do there

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

That’s what I’m thinking too. It’s not a big deal if people with hotel reservations and park tickets go before those with reservations and no park tickets. Everyone gets in. There’s no benefit to reserving first as long as there is enough capacity.

I won’t even get into the mathematics of it, but, if we are all being honest, everyone doesn’t go to anyone place at the same time.

 

[CastAStone]

There’s about 35,000 onsite rooms...very few single occupancy.

Full resort capacity would swarm these park limits they’re hinting at.

Still work to do there

Bingo. A couple thousand of them sleep 8 or more. Full resorts means about 100,000 guests. 30% of the 4 parks is roughly 100,000; personally I’m betting they open closer to 15% to 20%.

So we’ll see. I’m wrong all the time about all sorts of things.

 

[phillip9698]

No official word. I think it’s possible to do a 3D theater with social distancing. They would need a CM to seat the audience. Since the theaters are designed to enter on one side exit on the other they could seat 1 row at a time leaving every other row empty and forcing a 2 to 3 seat gap between family groups. We all know the big problem is people who enter first stop halfway down the row and don’t go to the end. That would have to be strongly enforced. That’s part of the reason I think they could load one row at a time. The line to get in would also have to be redone. With some organization and much less capacity it’s possible.

What’s more problematic is a show like Tiki Birds. Hard to do that since the seating is more random. It’s doable with more organization. Large shows like Fantasmic, Indy, Rivers of Light would be very hard to pull off.

Crazy how the people who arrive first usually get the worst seats. Thats whey even when we arrive early we mill around the middle of the holding areas so we dont end up having to go all the way down the row.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

1) They won’t release all the rooms at all the hotels.

2) It’s not Christmas/New Years

3) NBA (Maybe MLB, MLS, etc) will tie up rooms that are not representing park attendance.

 

[sjhym333]

I disagree about enough capacity. Based on the fact that Disney is telling AP holders that getting a park reservation may be difficult it leads me to believe that Disney will be prioritizing DVC and resort guests first and then AP holders before off property and other day guests. I also think people are confusing capacity based on a full park during the holidays. Initially capacity could include such things as the number available attractions, the hourly capacity of those attractions, ability to serve food, available CM's, cleaning protocols and things like that. I think capacity can be potentially be a lot less than people think.

 

[Mainahman]

Just got another email from Disney. It was a new confirmation for my trip in July. But this one showed no dining plan. So I guess they are starting to update.

Did they keep your hotel the same?

 

[GoofGoof]

There’s about 35,000 onsite rooms...very few single occupancy.

Full resort capacity would swarm these park limits they’re hinting at.

Still work to do there

Disney would be thrilled to have that problem. You really think they will use anywhere near 35,000 rooms? I think 35,000 includes the Swolphin as well as the partner hotels which aren’t guaranteed to get priority. Disney owned including DVC is closer to 30,000. Whole resorts will likely not open and floors or wings of others will be shuttered. It’s possible they use less than half those rooms upon opening. It’s quite possible that CSR is used by the NBA and maybe the All Stars stay shuttered as well as part or all of POR and/or YC. That’s as many as 10,000 rooms out of service. Available Disney owned rooms could be down to 20,000 or less and it’s a pipe dream to assume 100% occupancy even of that.

Assuming they open with a very low 15,000 per park capacity that’s 60,000 people that can be accommodated in the parks. Let’s assume nobody goes to Universal, Sea World, Legoland or anywhere else off property and nobody spends a day at the pool either. If each room averages 3 guests they have enough park capacity to fill 20,000 rooms before running out of park capacity. The lowest capacity number is also not guaranteed to last very long. I know for Shanghai they said they would ramp up a few thousand more people every week. Could there be issues between parks when they first open...maybe so. MK and DHS are likely to have more demand.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney would be thrilled to have that problem. You really think they will use anywhere near 35,000 rooms? I think 35,000 includes the Swolphin as well as the partner hotels which aren’t guaranteed to get priority. Disney owned including DVC is closer to 30,000. Whole resorts will likely not open and floors or wings of others will be shuttered. It’s possible they use less than half those rooms upon opening. It’s quite possible that CSR is used by the NBA and maybe the All Stars stay shuttered as well as part or all of POR and/or YC. That’s as many as 10,000 rooms out of service. Available Disney owned rooms could be down to 20,000 or less and it’s a pipe dream to assume 100% occupancy even of that.

Assuming they open with a very low 15,000 per park capacity that’s 60,000 people that can be accommodated in the parks. Let’s assume nobody goes to Universal, Sea World, Legoland or anywhere else off property and nobody spends a day at the pool either. If each room averages 3 guests they have enough park capacity to fill 20,000 rooms before running out of park capacity. The lowest capacity number is also not guaranteed to last very long. I know for Shanghai they said they would ramp up a few thousand more people every week. Could there be issues between parks when they first open...maybe so. MK and DHS are likely to have more demand.

I don’t think they will be “full” soon...but Disney has to get it to that to make money. So maybe not “today’s problem”...but not next decades either

 

[GoofGoof]

Bingo. A couple thousand of them sleep 8 or more. Full resorts means about 100,000 guests. 30% of the 4 parks is roughly 100,000; personally I’m betting they open closer to 15% to 20%.

So we’ll see. I’m wrong all the time about all sorts of things.

Disney would be thrilled (economically speaking) to have 100,000 people just in the hotels alone in July. I think the demand will be far less than that. Possibly less than half.

Here’s the list of hotel rooms from Touring Plans:

Walt Disney World Hotels - Number of Rooms

touringplans.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

1) They won’t release all the rooms at all the hotels.

2) It’s not Christmas/New Years

3) NBA (Maybe MLB, MLS, etc) will tie up rooms that are not representing park attendance.

I’m sorry...1 and 2 are not proof there’s no problem...and yes, 3 will take a good chunk if and when that happens

 

[GoofGoof]

I don’t think they will be “full” soon...but Disney has to get it to that to make money. So maybe not “today’s problem”...but not next decades either

The low park capacity is also limited. As things ramp up capacity will increase too. This assumes no pull back from the virus. As demand increases so will park capacity. I don’t think they have an issue unless capacity limits are still in place by next summer.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

I’m sorry...1 and 2 are not proof there’s no problem...and yes, 3 will take a good chunk if and when that happens

How can it not be? The economic circumstances alone will keep attendance down.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The low park capacity is also limited. As things ramp up capacity will increase too. This assumes no pull back from the virus. As demand increases so will park capacity. I don’t think they have an issue unless capacity limits are still in place by next summer.

I think their issue is cost...there a rather big false premise that 25% of the rooms/parks means 25% of the cost.

That’s the problem when this is present as “simple numbers”

Disney needs to take this to a place I’m not sure it can go fast enough

 

[GoofGoof]

How can it not be? The economic circumstances alone will keep attendance down.

Keep in mind that over half of the people here on a Disney parks fan board poll said they won’t go back with the current restrictions in place. I imagine the general public is even less in favor. I don’t see huge demand for summer 2020 at WDW.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How can it not be? The economic circumstances alone will keep attendance down.

I’m just cautioning people to not expect empty hotels/parks...

They wouldn’t be open with that reality.