News Walt Disney World and other major Disney accounts stop posting on social media platform X

[Dranth]

CCP has given them way more reasons to pull ads. When we know the CCP is imbedded in TikTok, should be easy, no? Much worse than a tweet.

They don't advertise with the CCP, they advertise with TikTok. You are saying they are one in the same, they are not. Yes, Chinese companies have to deal with a lot of interference from their government but are we really saying that every company is beholden to the actions of it's government?

 

[Andrew C]

They don't advertise with the CCP, they advertise with TikTok. You are saying they are one in the same, they are not. Yes, Chinese companies have to deal with a lot of interference from their government

It is beyond just their normal interference. Closing your eyes and pretending the connected doesn't exist doesn't change the reality. So, to me, the situation with TikTok compared to X is much worse.

Businesses can just admit that they continuously excuse the behavior of the CCP because of money. Rather than pretending these types of decisions are based on some moral high ground.

 

[Stripes]

Business is about weighing risks vs rewards.

The decision to pull ads from Twitter was likely not an entirely moral nor entirely financial decision (though it very well may be entirely financial at this point).

The risk of advertising on Twitter has gone up substantially as Twitter is increasing associated with things harmful to the advertisers‘ brand image. Meanwhile, the reward for advertising on Twitter has become smaller and smaller and is now the smallest of all major social media platforms.

There are certain risks to advertising on TikTok too but the reward is many times greater than what Twitter was offering thereby making it an easy decision to continue advertising.

 

[Andrew C]

There are certain risks to advertising on TikTok too but the reward is many times greater than what Twitter was offering thereby making it an easy decision to continue advertising.

Thanks for admitting Disneys willingness to overlook TikTok and the CCPs issues in the name of profits. Although they aren’t alone in doing so.

 

[Andrew C]

Yep.

Yeah. Heaven forbid we mention how much worse the CCP is than Elon. The same CCP meddling in TikTok.

 

[Brian]

You started the deflection. You. You deflected. Can I say it again? You. I’m just giving you other examples. I could go on. But since you decided not to answer the question and deflect yet again, I feel zero need to interact with you any further.

lol two out of three of the films you mentioned were made by studios which aren't even Disney. The other by Miramax, which was owned by Disney at the time of its production, but hardly considered part of the "Disney" brand like Mulan was.

 

[BuddyThomas]

lol two out of three of the films you mentioned were made by studios which aren't even Disney. The other by Miramax, which was owned by Disney at the time of its production, but hardly considered part of the "Disney" brand like Mulan was.

Obviously. What is your point? He is crying about a Disney film being made there but ignores my question on other films being made there. Also, oddly, this is a thread about Disney and X.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Deflecting the hypocrisy of Disney?

Do you do business with any companies that do business with China? Any that advertise on TikTok? Then how DARE you criticize anybody or anything! Such rank hypocrisy!

As long as we’re being very silly…

 

[Brian]

Obviously. What is your point? He is crying about a Disney film being made there but ignores my question on other films being made there. Also, oddly, this is a thread about Disney and X.

This is a Disney forum. We're not going to go talking about other studios unless we're comparing it to Disney.

Especially when the conversation is about Disney pulling ads because of "morality" but they continue to do massive business in China, advertise on CCP-owned/controlled TikTok, and film movies practically within spitting distance of a concentration camp.

ETA: I'm happy to say that I denounce any company doing business in Xinjiang. I oppose supporting concentration camps, and I don't care who knows it.

 

[BuddyThomas]

This is a Disney forum. We're not going to go talking about other studios unless we're comparing it to Disney.

Especially when the conversation is about Disney pulling ads because of "morality" but they continue to do massive business in China, advertise on CCP-owned/controlled TikTok, and film movies practically within spitting distance of a concentration camp.

Oh, thanks for the “education”. You may want to venture over to the heavily populated Disney movie threads and see if they are only talking about Disney. Free answer: they are not.

 

[Stripes]

Thanks for admitting Disneys willingness to overlook TikTok and the CCPs issues in the name of profits. Although they aren’t alone in doing so.

Of course they’re willing to overlook it. They have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to weigh the risks. And the risk/reward calculation clearly justifies continued business with TikTok.

China is a very complex topic but there’s an argument to be made that the scale of our continued business with China actually deters them from going to war. If we were to boycott their products and companies it would clearly increase the likelihood of war and with that the death of thousands of American soldiers and plausibly the death of millions of American civilians given the CCP’s military capabilities.

 

[Prince-1]

lol two out of three of the films you mentioned were made by studios which aren't even Disney. The other by Miramax, which was owned by Disney at the time of its production, but hardly considered part of the "Disney" brand like Mulan was.

 

[Prince-1]

This is a Disney forum. We're not going to go talking about other studios unless we're comparing it to Disney.

And this is a thread about Disney pulling ads from X and not about China but you seem ok with that.

 

[Andrew C]

Of course they’re willing to overlook it. They have a fiduciary duty to shareholders to weigh the risks. And the risk/reward calculation clearly justifies continued business with TikTok.

China is a very complex topic but there’s an argument to be made that the scale of our continued business with China actually deters them from going to war. If we were to boycott their products and companies it would clearly increase the likelihood of war and with that the death of thousands of American soldiers and plausibly the death of millions of American civilians given the CCP’s military capabilities.

Appeasement never works out in the end.

 

[Stripes]

Appeasement never works out in the end.

This isn’t appeasement. It’s leverage. Leverage against a totalitarian party that’s afraid of its own people rebelling against them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah. Heaven forbid we mention how much worse the CCP is than Elon. The same CCP meddling in TikTok.

Elon pledged to support the CCP’s values.

 

[Prince-1]

Elon pledged to support the CCP’s values.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas-xi-says-he-support-teslas-development-country-2023-11-16/

Say it ain’t so Musky.

 

[DisneyCane]

One thing I will say on the topic of advertising on Twitter and other social media. Probably 10 years ago I was doing advertising for an online business. We had been advertising on Google and Bing with a good ROI. We expanded to Facebook and Twitter and neither of them gave us a decent ROI and we stopped advertising on both of them.

Our business required getting direct conversions from users once they were on our site which is a little different than the goal of Disney advertising. The two social media platforms were pretty close in their non-value.

 

[mkt]

This is a Disney forum. We're not going to go talking about other studios unless we're comparing it to Disney.

Especially when the conversation is about Disney pulling ads because of "morality" but they continue to do massive business in China, advertise on CCP-owned/controlled TikTok, and film movies practically within spitting distance of a concentration camp.

ETA: I'm happy to say that I denounce any company doing business in Xinjiang. I oppose supporting concentration camps, and I don't care who knows it.

I have a question for you. Where do colonialism, denying the right to vote, and denying political representation to who would otherwise be fully enfranchised citizens appear on your morality barometer?

What about bombing ones own citizens? Where does that fall in your morality barometer?

 

[DisneyCane]

I have a question for you. Where do colonialism, denying the right to vote, and denying political representation to who would otherwise be fully enfranchised citizens appear on your morality barometer?

What about bombing ones own citizens? Where does that fall in your morality barometer?

Out of curiosity, what country are you from? I ask because there are A LOT of countries that have those things in their past.

Second, at what point is the past the past? It can't be changed. Why should I be punished or have to compensate people in 2023 for acts committed before my ancestors arrived in the USA?

If we are ever to "all just get along" as Rodney King said, at some point we have to accept that we are where we are and we just need to move forward.