Walls in HM Queue

Tom

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Slowjack said:
Ah, thanks for the link. The point I didn't get the first time is that it's not an arbitrary mechanism for removing vehicles from the chain and adding them again, which seemed miraculous. There is a special removable car that functions like a convertible baby car seat, leaving the base of the vehicle and its place in the chain. And so the removable car can only go into that one spot, which presumably means anyone loading there is going to have to wait through one right cycle to get back into the chain. Still, it's a very cool idea.
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That's kinda how I understand it as well. They can't just arbitrarily take vehicles out of the system and then put them back in anywhere. That would be obscenely complicated and would mean the entire "chain" is flexible.

Sounds like the vehicle would be out for an entire cycle, but in many cases that's probably about how long it would take to pull it off to the side, safely load the guest, and put it in place to re-join the ride.
 
RSoxNo1

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I think it's definitely possible to remove a car in an omnimover system, but it would require a bit of space. It would also create a hole in the omnimover system so I think the way to do it is always have a few vehicles removed that can be slide back into place into an existing open spot.

To remove the vehicle without stopping the forward progress of the omnimover chain, you need a conveyor belt of sorts moving along the omnimover that can latch onto any car and extract it from the system. Think of it like the stationary extraction of a vehicle used at Space Mountain's loading area in Disneyland.
 
Tom

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RSoxNo1 said:
I think it's definitely possible to remove a car in an omnimover system, but it would require a bit of space. It would also create a hole in the omnimover system so I think the way to do it is always have a few vehicles removed that can be slide back into place into an existing open spot.

To remove the vehicle without stopping the forward progress of the omnimover chain, you need a conveyor belt of sorts moving along the omnimover that can latch onto any car and extract it from the system. Think of it like the stationary extraction of a vehicle used at Space Mountain's loading area in Disneyland.
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Possible? Yes. Simple? No.

I haven't read up on how their current omni's work (like HM), but I imagine they're all linked to each other and not necessarily independent - meaning you couldn't just slide a car out and slide it back in. The entire drive system would need to be altered. But then again, I don't know how they actually work right now.
 
dreamfinder

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edwardtc said:
That's kinda how I understand it as well. They can't just arbitrarily take vehicles out of the system and then put them back in anywhere. That would be obscenely complicated and would mean the entire "chain" is flexible.

Sounds like the vehicle would be out for an entire cycle, but in many cases that's probably about how long it would take to pull it off to the side, safely load the guest, and put it in place to re-join the ride.
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I could also see them having 2 ADA buggies. Let one load while the other is riding, and when it comes back through, pull one off, put the other on and away it goes. Otherwise 1 buggie, on an 8 minute ride, means only 7-8 wheelchairs an hour? That seems a little low.
 
Tom

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dreamfinder said:
I could also see them having 2 ADA buggies. Let one load while the other is riding, and when it comes back through, pull one off, put the other on and away it goes. Otherwise 1 buggie, on an 8 minute ride, means only 7-8 wheelchairs an hour? That seems a little low.
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That makes sense.

I wonder how many wheelchairs the average ride sees in a given time.
 
Slowjack

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dreamfinder said:
I could also see them having 2 ADA buggies. Let one load while the other is riding, and when it comes back through, pull one off, put the other on and away it goes. Otherwise 1 buggie, on an 8 minute ride, means only 7-8 wheelchairs an hour? That seems a little low.
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I was thinking of something like that too, but that won't work. They would need multiple turntables for that. As the removable buggy goes past intersection point of the turntable, I don't think there's enough time to pull it off and put another one on. Maybe if there was a whole section of track, such that you're pulling off from point A and then inserting up at point B, a little further on, that would work, but that's not what they're showing in the diagram.

The best that I can see they can do in this regard is to have one removable car, but multiple "slots" on the main train where it can fit. In that way, there wouldn't be a long wait for a insertion point. Of course, that would slightly lower the overall capacity of the attraction.
 
MotherOfBirds

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Why do the turnstiles remain in the queue, anyway? It's been decades since the old ticket system was used, so why do they keep it, especially when it means they'll need an additional entrance for those in wheelchairs and said guests would miss the preshow?
 
bhg469

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emilykawaii123 said:
Why do the turnstiles remain in the queue, anyway? It's been decades since the old ticket system was used, so why do they keep it, especially when it means they'll need an additional entrance for those in wheelchairs and said guests would miss the preshow?
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I think it has something to do with the amount of people that occupy that space will fit in the ride in the first chamber. At least that's what I thought.
 
ChrisFL

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The turnstyles don't have anything to do with ticketing really. They also are a simple way to determine how many people are going through the attraction. I think there's other attractions that still use turnstyles right? I say that, but I can't think of any at the moment.
 
JungleTrekFan

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ChrisFL said:
The turnstyles don't have anything to do with ticketing really. They also are a simple way to determine how many people are going through the attraction. I think there's other attractions that still use turnstyles right? I say that, but I can't think of any at the moment.
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I cant think of any either, most attractions now have a sensors in the railings that counts people which are much better themed.
 
FutureWorld1982

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ChrisFL said:
The turnstyles don't have anything to do with ticketing really. They also are a simple way to determine how many people are going through the attraction. I think there's other attractions that still use turnstyles right? I say that, but I can't think of any at the moment.
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Big Thunder Mountain (not sure if it has the new system though), Dumbo, Snow White, Philarmagic, Stich's Great Escape, TTA Peoplemover, Tiki Room, Robinson's tree, etc.....
 

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