Walls in HM Queue

fngoofy

Well-Known Member
Why do the turnstiles remain in the queue, anyway? It's been decades since the old ticket system was used, so why do they keep it, especially when it means they'll need an additional entrance for those in wheelchairs and said guests would miss the preshow?

Disney is all about ride counts.
When I was a CM we had to call in counts every hour.

The turnstiles keep count. If you look at newer attractions you will see gates you pass through with electric eyes in them to do the counting.

Splash Mountains are in the exit right before you get to the gift shop, when all of a sudden they make you pass through a couple of lanes. Others are more concealed in the facade, but they are there.
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Disney is all about ride counts.
When I was a CM we had to call in counts every hour.

The turnstiles keep count. If you look at newer attractions you will see gates you pass through with electric eyes in them to do the counting.

Splash Mountains are in the exit right before you get to the gift shop, when all of a sudden they make you pass through a couple of lanes. Others are more concealed in the facade, but they are there.

But that only counts the people who traveled the ride completely....what about all those people getting out of their logs halfway through?
 

Magenta Panther

Well-Known Member
Disney is all about ride counts.
When I was a CM we had to call in counts every hour.

Yeah, and I really kinda hate that. It can spoil a ride experience. Visitors to the Haunted Mansion are always herded into the stretching room before they fully hear the narration in the foyer or see the transformation of the painting. Just so the CMs can fit more bodies in. Reminds me of that story about Walt when he secretly rode the Jungle Cruise once. The CM rushed through it and Walt didn't like that, remarking "I don't know if I saw rhinos or hippos!" :lol:
 

fngoofy

Well-Known Member
Yeah, and I really kinda hate that. It can spoil a ride experience. Visitors to the Haunted Mansion are always herded into the stretching room before they fully hear the narration in the foyer or see the transformation of the painting. Just so the CMs can fit more bodies in. Reminds me of that story about Walt when he secretly rode the Jungle Cruise once. The CM rushed through it and Walt didn't like that, remarking "I don't know if I saw rhinos or hippos!" :lol:

OMG!
I hate that as well!
All though, I think this is due to lazy CMs & Managers as opposed to ride count.
Back in the day, when I was very young (12-14) I would ride HM over and over and over again and got to know how they did things.

So back in say 1980 they loaded HM like this:

1. Open the main doors and start to let guests in

2. Close doors once proper number of guests were in

3. CM would go to the fireplace and press button that started the first ghost host spiel and started the picture transformation

4. After it finished the door to the stretching room opened

5. Guests moved in, the CM closed the door and then the stretching spiel would start

6. Then you got out of the stretching room and were able to walk up to the doom buggy line just as the last of the previous group was getting on.

There were no gaps in the line and you got to experience all the ride elements.

Now they hurry the process, (I have seen the room start stretching before the guests are all in and the door closed) and what happens is that you get a backup at the doom buggy line and to let it clear they wait to let the next group in.

If they would just pace things properly the ride count would be there and the show would be perfect.

They really need to have a CM pre-load the area in front of the entrance with the right number of people, just like at Tower of Terror. That way people could enter quicker and they could start the show quicker.

However, they really are a prisoner to the speed of the doom buggies (I swear they are quicker now than before the big refurb.) So I think just going back to proper pacing and showmanship would be the best thing!
 

gerryu21220

Member
Now they hurry the process, (I have seen the room start stretching before the guests are all in and the door closed) and what happens is that you get a backup at the doom buggy line and to let it clear they wait to let the next group in.


There have been instances during peak capacity times that the CMs would just leave one set of Stretch Room doors wide open. Guests were simply herded right on through to the load area, skipping the Foyer and Stretch Room experiences.
 

Jrn14

Well-Known Member
Speaking of peak capacity... Has anyone ever been there when they MADE you ride three to a car? One time when the park was busy, but not "that busy" the castmembers were adament that all buggys contain 3 bodies... and they were splitting up groups and making people ride with strangers... They made me and my gf ride with a stranger and it was most unpleasant, ackward, and uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced that? I don't think the CM's should ever force people to squeeze into a buggy with two complete strangers...
 

Tom

Beta Return
OMG!
I hate that as well!
All though, I think this is due to lazy CMs & Managers as opposed to ride count.
Back in the day, when I was very young (12-14) I would ride HM over and over and over again and got to know how they did things.

So back in say 1980 they loaded HM like this:

1. Open the main doors and start to let guests in

2. Close doors once proper number of guests were in

3. CM would go to the fireplace and press button that started the first ghost host spiel and started the picture transformation

4. After it finished the door to the stretching room opened

5. Guests moved in, the CM closed the door and then the stretching spiel would start

6. Then you got out of the stretching room and were able to walk up to the doom buggy line just as the last of the previous group was getting on.

There were no gaps in the line and you got to experience all the ride elements.

Now they hurry the process, (I have seen the room start stretching before the guests are all in and the door closed) and what happens is that you get a backup at the doom buggy line and to let it clear they wait to let the next group in.

If they would just pace things properly the ride count would be there and the show would be perfect.

They really need to have a CM pre-load the area in front of the entrance with the right number of people, just like at Tower of Terror. That way people could enter quicker and they could start the show quicker.

However, they really are a prisoner to the speed of the doom buggies (I swear they are quicker now than before the big refurb.) So I think just going back to proper pacing and showmanship would be the best thing!

I'm glad you told this story, because it makes a lot of sense.

You're right about how the sequence used to happen. And honestly, I can't remember the last time I experienced more than maybe 30-seconds of the foyer. I have also experienced HM several times where the stretch room spiel was well underway by the time we got into the room.

Sometimes they'd open the exterior doors and usher people right into the stretch room, bypassing the foyer "scene" completely. And just like you said, we'd get out of the stretch room and still wait in line to board the doombuggies.

The staging was put in place for a reason, and everything in the foyer and stretch rooms are part of the show. For the record, most of these visits of mine were during the LOW season (early January, October).

Speaking of peak capacity... Has anyone ever been there when they MADE you ride three to a car? One time when the park was busy, but not "that busy" the castmembers were adament that all buggys contain 3 bodies... and they were splitting up groups and making people ride with strangers... They made me and my gf ride with a stranger and it was most unpleasant, ackward, and uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced that? I don't think the CM's should ever force people to squeeze into a buggy with two complete strangers...

Huh? I'm anxious to hear if a few more people an validate this. While I've never been to WDW during "peak" capacity times, I would find it extremely hard to believe that they forced groups apart and crammed 3 people into one buggy.

Could be true. Maybe it was a freak thing - completely circumstantial.
 

wdwmagic

Administrator
Moderator
Premium Member
Speaking of peak capacity... Has anyone ever been there when they MADE you ride three to a car? One time when the park was busy, but not "that busy" the castmembers were adament that all buggys contain 3 bodies... and they were splitting up groups and making people ride with strangers... They made me and my gf ride with a stranger and it was most unpleasant, ackward, and uncomfortable. Has anyone else experienced that? I don't think the CM's should ever force people to squeeze into a buggy with two complete strangers...

Weird, never seen or heard of that happening.
 

TheBeatles

Well-Known Member
OMG!
I hate that as well!
All though, I think this is due to lazy CMs & Managers as opposed to ride count.
Back in the day, when I was very young (12-14) I would ride HM over and over and over again and got to know how they did things.

So back in say 1980 they loaded HM like this:

1. Open the main doors and start to let guests in

2. Close doors once proper number of guests were in

3. CM would go to the fireplace and press button that started the first ghost host spiel and started the picture transformation

4. After it finished the door to the stretching room opened

5. Guests moved in, the CM closed the door and then the stretching spiel would start

6. Then you got out of the stretching room and were able to walk up to the doom buggy line just as the last of the previous group was getting on.

There were no gaps in the line and you got to experience all the ride elements.

Now they hurry the process, (I have seen the room start stretching before the guests are all in and the door closed) and what happens is that you get a backup at the doom buggy line and to let it clear they wait to let the next group in.

If they would just pace things properly the ride count would be there and the show would be perfect.

They really need to have a CM pre-load the area in front of the entrance with the right number of people, just like at Tower of Terror. That way people could enter quicker and they could start the show quicker.

However, they really are a prisoner to the speed of the doom buggies (I swear they are quicker now than before the big refurb.) So I think just going back to proper pacing and showmanship would be the best thing!

by the time i get into the foyer, the portrait is already a skeleton.
 

Horizonsfan

Well-Known Member
OMG!

However, they really are a prisoner to the speed of the doom buggies (I swear they are quicker now than before the big refurb.) So I think just going back to proper pacing and showmanship would be the best thing!

I thought the same thing though I just passed it off as me being crazy. :lol:

Wonder if there was a slight speed up...:confused:
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
Weird, never seen or heard of that happening.

Yes, that has happened to me on several MK rides, and it's always awkward. Once, I was a random guy sitting next to a five-year-old. (The CM seated me first, so I couldn't object.) I'd be FURIOUS if they seated my kid next to a stranger!
 

fngoofy

Well-Known Member
I'm glad you told this story, because it makes a lot of sense.

You're right about how the sequence used to happen. And honestly, I can't remember the last time I experienced more than maybe 30-seconds of the foyer. I have also experienced HM several times where the stretch room spiel was well underway by the time we got into the room.

Sometimes they'd open the exterior doors and usher people right into the stretch room, bypassing the foyer "scene" completely. And just like you said, we'd get out of the stretch room and still wait in line to board the doombuggies.

The staging was put in place for a reason, and everything in the foyer and stretch rooms are part of the show. For the record, most of these visits of mine were during the LOW season (early January, October).


Here's what we do to ensure the best show possible.
1. If you are not first in line at the doors.
Move up when they usher guests in but hang back at the last minute (act like you are waiting on a group farther back in the line) and this way you are positioned to be one of the first in when they get the next group.
*So as not to miss the first spiel

2. Upon entering, position yourself in front of the fireplace so you can make an easy entrance to either stretching room.
*So you don't miss anything while they herd everyone else in

3. EITHER - Position yourself nearer to the panel that will open to exit the stretching room *so you are farther up in the doom buggy queue, OR hang back and be the last out *so you catch the little bits at the end of the stretch and you aren't in a hurry (just hope you are far enough up in the queue before the next room dumps on you.)

#1 is the key to having a nice experience in my opinion.


As far as the 3 to a car, I have not seen that. I do remember when they used to load 2 to a car in Space Mountain and you sat in the other person's lap basically (whether you knew them or not.) When I was a kid I got good at timing my entrance so that I was near a group of eligible ladies. In retrospect I can't believe that system ever got off the drawing board.

I can only imagine how that brainstorming session at WED went:

John: Ok, so its a high-speed ride through space

Herb: Sounds good, tell me more

John: We'll have bobsled style short trains zipping through a dark building with stars projected all around, they won't know where they're going

Herb: Love it! What do you have for me on safety?

John: Sure, we'll have a little padded bench for them to sit on, the second person will sit between the legs of the first person, and we'll have a loose belt that goes in front of the second person, its really just for show.

Herb: Um, OK... So this bench, it doesn't separate the two riders, at all?

John: Nope!, if the second person isn't up in the first person's junk at the start of the ride, they will be by the end. Hard not to when you are zipping down hills and turns and don't know where you're going.

Herb: Ok, so we'll be keeping odd numbered parties together and having a lot of single riders right.

John: Oh no, that wouldn't work. We're planning on putting complete strangers together between each other's legs.

Herb: Wow...just...wow.
 

NYwdwfan

Well-Known Member
As far as the 3 to a car, I have not seen that. I do remember when they used to load 2 to a car in Space Mountain and you sat in the other person's lap basically (whether you knew them or not.) When I was a kid I got good at timing my entrance so that I was near a group of eligible ladies. In retrospect I can't believe that system ever got off the drawing board.

Holy crud :lookaroun

I thought I made up that memory.
 

Tom

Beta Return
Here's what we do to ensure the best show possible.
1. If you are not first in line at the doors.
Move up when they usher guests in but hang back at the last minute (act like you are waiting on a group farther back in the line) and this way you are positioned to be one of the first in when they get the next group.
*So as not to miss the first spiel

2. Upon entering, position yourself in front of the fireplace so you can make an easy entrance to either stretching room.
*So you don't miss anything while they herd everyone else in

3. EITHER - Position yourself nearer to the panel that will open to exit the stretching room *so you are farther up in the doom buggy queue, OR hang back and be the last out *so you catch the little bits at the end of the stretch and you aren't in a hurry (just hope you are far enough up in the queue before the next room dumps on you.)

#1 is the key to having a nice experience in my opinion.


As far as the 3 to a car, I have not seen that. I do remember when they used to load 2 to a car in Space Mountain and you sat in the other person's lap basically (whether you knew them or not.) When I was a kid I got good at timing my entrance so that I was near a group of eligible ladies. In retrospect I can't believe that system ever got off the drawing board.

I can only imagine how that brainstorming session at WED went:

John: Ok, so its a high-speed ride through space

Herb: Sounds good, tell me more

John: We'll have bobsled style short trains zipping through a dark building with stars projected all around, they won't know where they're going

Herb: Love it! What do you have for me on safety?

John: Sure, we'll have a little padded bench for them to sit on, the second person will sit between the legs of the first person, and we'll have a loose belt that goes in front of the second person, its really just for show.

Herb: Um, OK... So this bench, it doesn't separate the two riders, at all?

John: Nope!, if the second person isn't up in the first person's junk at the start of the ride, they will be by the end. Hard not to when you are zipping down hills and turns and don't know where you're going.

Herb: Ok, so we'll be keeping odd numbered parties together and having a lot of single riders right.

John: Oh no, that wouldn't work. We're planning on putting complete strangers together between each other's legs.

Herb: Wow...just...wow.

I love it!

BTW: Is your screen name a play on the "punch line" of the famous "Mickey goes to court" joke?
 

Fable McCloud

Well-Known Member
Once again, a reason why I will never go during peak season. My mom and I each had our own cars for SM, and in HM my Mom and I rode in one Doombuggy, and my Dad rode alone in the one behind us.


Oddly enough, this is why I always have even number parties when I go to any theme park.

*face palm:brick:* I made a bad pun....forgive me!
 

misterID

Well-Known Member
Yes, that has happened to me on several MK rides, and it's always awkward. Once, I was a random guy sitting next to a five-year-old. (The CM seated me first, so I couldn't object.) I'd be FURIOUS if they seated my kid next to a stranger!

I'd pitch a fit the likes of which have never been seen.

I do remember when you had to sit in someones lap on SM and I always wondered if they made strangers do that. I wouldn't. There would be another major tantrum thrown. That's really stupid, if you think about it. That's the neighborhood child molester from Family Guy's dream come true. Mmmm Hmmmm.

And if they're forcing people to sit 3 to a car on an omnimover attraction that's absolutely ridiculous. Especially for HM.
 

Tom

Beta Return
I'd pitch a fit the likes of which have never been seen.

I do remember when you had to sit in someones lap on SM and I always wondered if they made strangers do that. I wouldn't. There would be another major tantrum thrown. That's really stupid, if you think about it. That's the neighborhood child molester from Family Guy's dream come true. Mmmm Hmmmm.

And if they're forcing people to sit 3 to a car on an omnimover attraction that's absolutely ridiculous. Especially for HM.

Agreed. I would be sitting with the person of my choosing, and nobody else.
 

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