-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Walls down - Fantasyland soft opening status
- Thread starter marni1971
- Start date
njDizFan
Well-Known Member
It's hard to tell without being there or having people around but the main dining room likes kind of sterile. Kind of like a convention hall with a bunch of tables inside. I will defer my final judgement til I see more pictures or actually get to be there but for now it seems to lack a sense of "warmth".
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
I said I was going to stay out of this thread and let the drooling continue (I'd love to know the justification for the horrible way one building is jutting out in a jarring way when you are looking head on at Bonjour Gifts with the fountain in front, but I am sure many folks will come up with one!), but I take what I post seriously (even when it is made in jest) and I don't want anyone misunderstanding what I meant.
I did not mean that last week someone at TDO (like King Phil) could have just said 'let's open that puppy up' as that was not possible ... what am I saying is that dating back at least two-three months, Disney had the option of scheduling things in a way where all or most of what debutted yesterday would have been able to be opened for D23 weekend. Work could have been done (this isn't UNI where Transformers is being built 24/7 even when it's crane is struck by lightning), so that it would have been ready for the rabid fans and, yes, it was discussed. It wasn't done.
You read into that whatever you like.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
Hah. Keep trying. Now you just look desperate trying to rescue your "in the know" badge.
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
Well, for a project announced in August 2009, they took their sweet time building what amounts to a dark ride, meet-n-greet show and a restaurant. Disney is a cumbersome monstrous organization that could have had this stuff opened LAST October in time for the 40th, and CHOSE not to. The reasons, whatever they may be, are inconsequential. WDW1974 can't rescue a badge he never lost; his track record of info speaks for itself. Besides, it doesn't take an insider to notice that Disney drug their feet on the Fantasyland project (and still are with the mine train and princess hall) while other theme parks are able to execute more complex construction projects in far less time. DCA built two new lands, an infrastructure heavy water show and the Mermaid ride in less than three years, UOR is building Potter 2.0 in less than three years, Transformers in less than a year - this isn't rocket science. Fantasyland is a relatively simple project built on mostly unused space, and it should have opened sooner.
AND on top of their flimsy fiscal excuses for pushing the land back and back, they refused to release an opening date until the last minute, making vacation planning very difficult for thousands of families who were doing exactly what an expansion is supposed to do - get people to come see it. The whole project has been one botch after another - you'd never know these people had been in business for 40 years.
All that said, it's very pretty, which I don't think has ever been in question. It's no Potter swatter, but it's the nicest themed area in the MK to be sure.
AND on top of their flimsy fiscal excuses for pushing the land back and back, they refused to release an opening date until the last minute, making vacation planning very difficult for thousands of families who were doing exactly what an expansion is supposed to do - get people to come see it. The whole project has been one botch after another - you'd never know these people had been in business for 40 years.
All that said, it's very pretty, which I don't think has ever been in question. It's no Potter swatter, but it's the nicest themed area in the MK to be sure.
Given the strength of this statement, would you mind providing an exhaustive list of said botches?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
You can't necessarily blame the time difference on Fastpass, yesterday was a weekday, this is a weekend day and this is the first day that people have actually known ahead of time that this would be open.
dreamscometrue
Well-Known Member
Just when I was starting to think he might actually have connections instead of just being a very curmudgeonly person trying to pass himself off as an insider.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Where is your proof that a longer line at Mermaid today is caused just by Fastpass and not more people wanting to ride it. I am more then willing to accept this if you can show me the evidence.
dreamscometrue
Well-Known Member
There is no proof because he doesn't have any...only speculation. I've read one lame argument after another on here as to how FP greatly increases stand by times. There is an affect (obviously by having another line besides stand by only), but I doubt it's very significant at all. There's lots of stuff I don't know at all, but my background is in math/stats/logistics of systems, and most people who post on here about this particular topic, don't know of that which they speak.
Also, as a WDW guest, you can get FP like the rest of us and very rarely evr wait more than 20 min for any attraction...ever!
csm
Well-Known Member
Here's your proof:
Let's go back to the day The Haunted Mansion first opened their FastPass system many years ago. Let me paint a picture for you to help you understand that day - up until then, The Haunted Mansion was almost never more than a 10-15 minute wait. It's a massive people-eater. It has a huge hourly capacity, and the ride showed that even in the busiest of times. On this day, many years back when The Haunted Mansion - which was on average a 10-15 minute wait even on busy days - opened its FastPass queue for the first time, Splash Mountain was posted at a 5 minute wait. On this day when The Haunted Mansion - which was on average a 10-15 wait even on busy days - opened its FastPass queue, Space Mountain was only a 10 minute wait.
Yet on the day The Haunted Mansion opened its FastPass Queue, The Haunted Mansion was posted between 45-60 minutes all afternoon.
Do you really want to tell me that's not because of FastPass? Do you really want to tell me that Space Mountain and Splash Mountain have lines 1/4 the length of The Haunted Mansion *all* day long?
FastPass. Creates. Lines.
Toy Story Midway Mania! is a crazy-popular attraction on both coasts. What's the average wait time at Toy Story Midway Mania! at DHS? Over an hour on a slow day? It's on average under 30 minutes on a *busy* day at DCA. Guess which one of the two rides is the one with FastPass?
FastPass. Creates. Lines.
There's your proof.
bladerunner
Member
I am super bummed that its only open until friday.I arrive sunday and will miss it by 2 stinkin days!!
Me too! Arriving Sunday. If I can't get on the new ride I hope I can at least get to walk by the area and see it and not have it roped off.
whylightbulb
Well-Known Member
This is a joke right? Does it take a statistician to figure out that when you have access to all 16 vehicles for, lets call them the "standby" group, that the wait will be less time to board than if you devoted 8 vehicles to the Standby Group and 8 vehicles to the fastpass group? Are you seriously going to debate that? The Standby Group will have a longer wait every time because there are fewer seats available for them. No matter how you spin it that is simple math.There is no proof because he doesn't have any...only speculation. I've read one lame argument after another on here as to how FP greatly increases stand by times. There is an affect (obviously by having another line besides stand by only), but I doubt it's very significant at all. There's lots of stuff I don't know at all, but my background is in math/stats/logistics of systems, and most people who post on here about this particular topic, don't know of that which they speak.
Also, as a WDW guest, you can get FP like the rest of us and very rarely evr wait more than 20 min for any attraction...ever!
Now since you are an expert when it comes to statistics and numbers, what happens as the number of guests trying to use the Fastpass increases? Will everyone's wait times be reduced? No because there are only so many seats available. So If I arrive in the park at 4 PM for example I have little to no chance of picking up a Fastpass for the most popular attractions. So there goes your idea that I could get on any attraction of my choosing and never wait more than 20 minutes.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I really hate to derail this thread with another Fastpass debate because I know it has been done to death, but since we are already here....
I am honestly trying to understand why the standby line increases so much. You say that the standby group will have fewer seats available to them, but shouldn't there be less people in the standby line because a chunk of them are now in the fastpass line? I am just trying to understand why it doesn't come close to balancing out.
Kungaloosh1937
Active Member
Looks like seeing pictures coming in via Orlando Attractions Magazine the land is staying open for the evening as opposed to the rumored 6pm close. Can anyone confirm?