Walls down - Fantasyland soft opening status

Rescue Ranger

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Everything looks amazing and beautiful. And yea, the whole attraction here are not the "attractions" at all, its the theming and landscaping. ! could spend an hour or two just sitting in the sun looking at the beautiful waterfalls.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
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To those who've asked, in afraid I was told 10-6 for a week. Beyond that I don't know.

And Epcot is a zoo tonight.
 

WDW1974

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Just skimmed the thread/droolfest. Honestly, didn't expect anything differently.Emotions will get the best of any Disney fan when new product is intro'd. WDW fans are so starved for new product and this is new and certainly of a higher caliber than anything the MK has offered for years.

But folks who wish to compare this with WWoHP or, worse, Disney's work at TDS or even DCA 2.0 are simply high on the Pixie Dust. Sorry, you can like whatever you wish, but it doesn't make it great quality.

Also, I strongly disagree with those, my buddy Randy among them, who believe queues are as important as the actual attraction. I think this is something WDI's 'talents' have placed out there to make up for shortcomings in the product. Two of the best queues at WDW are for KRR and EE and I in no way would consider them among WDW's best attractions. The former is among the worst. The whole package is what matters and certainly a queue is part of it, but as we can see with FP and its new incarnation, they are becoming of less import by the day.

BTW, I did NOT view any photos or video of the ride/area. I always wait to experience something, if possible, before judging it.

I did experience Mermaid in DCA dozens of times since it opened (almost always as a walk on ... btw, is HPatFJ ever a walk-on?) and this ride is from all respected accounts 99% (or more) the same. A carbon copy. And that to me, as Kuhio and others have stated, place it below most Fantasyland dark rides. It's just not that impressive at all. ... Except in a park like MK that never gets anything new.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade (but Disney is sorta doing this by opening it to all before CMs, APers DVCers etc get a chance to sign up and ride.) But I won't let folks who have never set foot outside the country, let alone visied TDR, talk about this like it's Disney's best work when even the people who work for the company will privately laugh at such notions.

There probably will be some personal shots at me now that will be allowed to sit, but I'd rather just drop out of the thread and let the droolfest continue ... and hope there will be a day when Disney opens an attraction/area in Florida that wows me again. But this won't likely be it. And if it does it for you, you might want to ask yourself about just what you expect from Disney for the prices it charges (and remember: largest price hikes in history are coming in 2013!)
 

WDW1974

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Everything looks amazing and beautiful. And yea, the whole attraction here are not the "attractions" at all, its the theming and landscaping. ! could spend an hour or two just sitting in the sun looking at the beautiful waterfalls.

Just wondering if you or folks with the same 'tude feel the same about DAK since there's so much more to actually take in there ...
 

Badger Brent

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Didn't have time to read whole thread. Is Mermaid open now? Or is it hit or miss and still in soft opening testing stage? Have friends down there tomorrow and want to give them a heads up.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
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Didn't have time to read whole thread. Is Mermaid open now? Or is it hit or miss and still in soft opening testing stage? Have friends down there tomorrow and want to give them a heads up.
Soft opening today until next Friday at the moment. 10am-6pm all being well.
 

TalkingHead

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Although there are quite a few praiseworthy individual elements of the Little Mermaid attraction, the reason I rank it a notch below dark rides like Pooh, Pan, or even DL's Mr. Toad or Alice (none of which have effects as technically sophisticated as TLM) is the fact that, unlike those other FL rides, TLM is pretty much a straightforward re-telling of the movie on which it's based.

For that reason, it comes off a bit like a Reader's Digest condensed version of a richer and fuller story, and thus a bit flat and cold. The other FL rides generally eschew direct adaptation of a narrative in favor of engendering the emotions or sensations invoked by the original story: the magical feeling of flight in Pan; the chaotic and impulsive escapades of Toad; the nonsensical world of Alice; etc. As such, they offer and represent interpretive experiences rather than literal ones, and thus are both more sophisticated (despite having more primitive animatronics and set pieces) and satisfying.

Agreed with the rest of your post as well, but this sums up my view of the ride perfectly.
 

WDW1974

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Just one other thought from someone who works at TDO (and actually likes the Spirit), but the word is that Disney could have had this open last weekend ... you know for D23 and EPCOT30. A little present for the fanbois of the world, but calculated that it would be better not to put the effort into doing so because these are the type of people who would make second trips (some in a matter of weeks) just to see what soft opened today.

So, there was a bit of other agendas at play in why the area opened when it did ... when probably 95% of the fans who came for EPCOT30 are already gone.
 

TalkingHead

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Also, I strongly disagree with those, my buddy Randy among them, who believe queues are as important as the actual attraction. I think this is something WDI's 'talents' have placed out there to make up for shortcomings in the product. Two of the best queues at WDW are for KRR and EE and I in no way would consider them among WDW's best attractions. The former is among the worst. The whole package is what matters and certainly a queue is part of it, but as we can see with FP and its new incarnation, they are becoming of less import by the day.

Exactly. If the queue mattered more than the ride, then SSE would be an A-ticket.
 

Kuhio

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Fortunately, Disney doesn't have to "answer" WWoHP. You know, because IoA only gets 6.5 million people a year and MK gets 18 million? When you come in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th place in Orlando theme parks (Disney), you don't have to play down to dumb (Universal). Disney already wins, in theming, in attractions, in quality.

Fostering and retaining brand loyalty and respect -- which is crucial for any company if it truly aspires to maintain robust corporate health over the long term -- has less to do with numbers, and more to do with the company's values, its dedication to the quality of its product regardless of things like sales figures, and how it treats both its consumers and its rivals.

Whether a company is a Goliath or a David in its field, I expect it to do its utmost to make its product the best it can be, year in and year out. These are the types of corporations to which I will gladly give my money and my support.
 

Dasnowz

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Not trying to rain on anyone's parade (but Disney is sorta doing this by opening it to all before CMs, APers DVCers etc get a chance to sign up and ride.)

My parade has been rained on... We were all excited and now its like ehhh everyone else has seen it already... it's nothing spectacular..
 

RandySavage

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But folks who wish to compare this with WWoHP or, worse, Disney's work at TDS or even DCA 2.0 are simply high on the Pixie Dust. Sorry, you can like whatever you wish, but it doesn't make it great quality.

Also, I strongly disagree with those, my buddy Randy among them, who believe queues are as important as the actual attraction. I think this is something WDI's 'talents' have placed out there to make up for shortcomings in the product. Two of the best queues at WDW are for KRR and EE and I in no way would consider them among WDW's best attractions. The former is among the worst. The whole package is what matters and certainly a queue is part of it, but as we can see with FP and its new incarnation, they are becoming of less import by the day.

To clarify, my belief is this: the ride portion of an attraction is the core of the experience, but an okay ride with an outstanding queue trumps an okay ride with an okay queue. Like I said, ideally Queue < Pre-Show < Ride. I actually think Kali River & Everest fall into that pattern - really like both queues and like the rides even more (when all effects are working), although Kali's pre-falls portion is too short. I don't really separate the queue from the overall experience... I may be an outlier in that respect.

In Mermaid's case, it looks like the excellent queue & exterior make the total experience measurably better than the DCA version. I do place a lot of weight on the general place-making in theme parks (equally as important as rides for me) and most of the place-making here looks to be really high quality. It's not flawless, but it is a job well done and a step in the right direction, IMO. It doesn't excuse other declines in various areas across WDW, so I continue to appreciate you (or anyone) who argues for a higher level of standards & practices.
 

menamechris

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I am a little surprised they are doing this before the AP preview. As someone else said...theres really no point, unless they are going to have some little perks attached to it.
 

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