ToTBellHop
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We thought DHS had sprung a leak yesterday but they were just draining the Seas. It’ll take four years apparently.
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Updates to the Seas Pavilion
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trainplane3
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Captain Neo
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They need to drop the damn Nemo theme. That franchise isn’t popular anymore
The sequel pulled in a billion dollars just three years ago.
FigmentJedi
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Nemo's long since ascended to Immortal Disney Classic status. It's been 17 years since the original and I still hear kids going "It's Nemo and Dory" at every single aquarium or zoo with a clownfish or blue tang.
trainplane3
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This wasn't at D23 and I think people missed it at the preview center:
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
The franchise is still popular. It’s the implementation that sucks.
Timothy_Q
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I love how people say this to whatever movie they dislike
Pretty hard to find a single kid who doesn't know who Nemo and Dory are
castlecake2.0
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Now put back the original BGM
FigmentJedi
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Or new arrangements by the Nemo composer.
RSoxNo1
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@lentesta, are you able to see spikes in attendance at the Seas pavilion around Finding Dory? I'm guessing any attendance boost was negligible.
I reject the premise that IP based attractions are safer bets. An attraction like The Seas with Nemo and Friends is going to have an attendance boost like any new attraction cycle but it won't take long for people to recognize that it's not a gate busting attraction.
The push for an IP based attraction at the cost of thematic integrity is a short lived benefit. It's very much on brand with the quarter to quarter approach to corporate profits.
RadiatorSpringsRacer
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The new signage is gorgeous and gives me a lot of hope that Disney cares about this EPCOT redo more than some people think. I was extremely excited to see it.
About IP...My problem with this pavilion is not that Nemo’s there, but with the execution. The film took such care to accurately depict the wonders and idiosyncrasies of marine life, and they could easily have used it to tie the pavilion to the real ocean even more. Instead, we got recycled Submarine Voyage assets.
About IP...My problem with this pavilion is not that Nemo’s there, but with the execution. The film took such care to accurately depict the wonders and idiosyncrasies of marine life, and they could easily have used it to tie the pavilion to the real ocean even more. Instead, we got recycled Submarine Voyage assets.
RandySavage
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The execution is awful, but the IP is poison, as well, IMO. Nemo IP killed Stormchaser at DisneySea in a similar way. The problem is the Nemo IP places the entire feel of the pavilion squarely in the "parents can come along, but this is really aimed at children" category. It would be like putting Bambi, Dumbo, Simba throughout Living with the Land - totally changes the tone and targeted demo, regardless of execution.
Some may argue, "this is DIsney world, aiming at children is the point", but if you knew and loved the original Future World, it has been a painful transformation to witness - and nowhere more poorly implemented than at The Living Seas. From the kindergarten cutout graphics to Duplo color scheme to the incredibly painful and repetitive "Where nemo?" script of the ride. I can think of no implementation of Nemo into the attraction that would have appealed to my younger (7-12yo) self.
Some may argue, "this is DIsney world, aiming at children is the point", but if you knew and loved the original Future World, it has been a painful transformation to witness - and nowhere more poorly implemented than at The Living Seas. From the kindergarten cutout graphics to Duplo color scheme to the incredibly painful and repetitive "Where nemo?" script of the ride. I can think of no implementation of Nemo into the attraction that would have appealed to my younger (7-12yo) self.
Steph15251
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I would love them to replace the Nemo ride with something better and fix up things up with the seas .
lentesta
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I don't think there was a noticeable change in crowds in the two weeks around Finding Dory's release (June 17, 2016). Crowds were higher that year than in 2017, but not as high as in 2018.
RSoxNo1
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That's not the issue at all. The issue is that The Seas With Nemo and Friends makes no effort to fit into Epcot. At least Turtle Talk with Crush makes an effort.
RSoxNo1
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Thanks.
Not that a single attraction is a proof of concept, but I find it hard to believe that familiarity with the IP results in the attendance boost any more than the simple "newness" factor. Iger stated that IP based attractions are safer bets, but I categorically reject that premise. It seems that without fail, quality will win out no matter what.
ppete1975
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lets be honest, remove the fandom and nostalgia.
Old epcot was a school field trip, that had no correlation to Disney (you couldn't even find mickey in the centrariom) if my 8 year old self remembers right
New Epcot is fun, drinking, with rides, and Disney ips
To todays audience one would be an empty park one is a destination
So im sure nemo prob does create some rides that the old format wouldn't. kids: "look its nemo lets ride it".. compared to kids:"oh an aquarium we went to one of those at school, wheres the elsa meet and greet"
Old epcot was a school field trip, that had no correlation to Disney (you couldn't even find mickey in the centrariom) if my 8 year old self remembers right
New Epcot is fun, drinking, with rides, and Disney ips
To todays audience one would be an empty park one is a destination
So im sure nemo prob does create some rides that the old format wouldn't. kids: "look its nemo lets ride it".. compared to kids:"oh an aquarium we went to one of those at school, wheres the elsa meet and greet"
lentesta
Premium Member
I said something like this in a recent interview - we shouldn't pre-judge an attraction based on its IP, because ride quality is the thing that's going to make or break the attraction.
Timothy_Q
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That's pretty much a general consensus
I was replying to a statement saying Nemo isn't a popular franchise
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