Universal's Future

Figment1986

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I dont think a low level show would work for city walk.... people do use the boat ransportation and that would require then to shut down before those and restart a little latter... maby during special events.. like newyears though....

now as i said before... if they have to close the copasters by 12:00... then have fireworks before 12:00.... only during peak seasons and some during off seasons... like what DL used to do.....
 
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Figment1986 said:
I dont think a low level show would work for city walk.... people do use the boat ransportation and that would require then to shut down before those and restart a little latter... maby during special events.. like newyears though....
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Utilizing a small barge could allow for quick retrieval and set-up, and just one of them. It can be stationed on the far side of the lagoon, where it can be kept in storage. It can be brought out five minutes prior to the show starting, and as soon as the show is over. If it's a ten minute show, they delay would be a max of thirty minutes, more likely 20. That would equivocate to a max of four trips to any of the hotels (more likely 2). I think for the guest satisfaction something like would add would be worth the small delay.
 
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Back to moving Wet n' Wild, right near MIB there is a good size piece of land where it could go, now if you do this it will limit future USF expansion, but having Wet n' Wild there would be cool. As for the other land I say the build a good size theme park, not too big and have a hotel in it, kinda like DCA and TDS just to save room and make more money.
 
Lynx04

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Michael72688 said:
Back to moving Wet n' Wild, right near MIB there is a good size piece of land where it could go, now if you do this it will limit future USF expansion, but having Wet n' Wild there would be cool. As for the other land I say the build a good size theme park, not too big and have a hotel in it, kinda like DCA and TDS just to save room and make more money.
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Universal has a less need for a new theme park then Disney. Not because IOA is new but because the crowd level at USF and IOA don't justify one and to be honest I don't think it ever will (I am a disbeliever in a Disney 5th gate as well, or if it does happen it wont be for another 2 to 3 decades) . I am becoming a stronger believer in the fact that what USF needs most is additional resorts. Orlando being a tourist destination of mostly travellers, they need to have enough resort rooms to hold the guest for their theme parks. Fortunatly, Disney resort expansion also has a positive effect on the Universals attendence, although it doesn't have the same impact as having their own. So with the completion of the Pop Century, hopefully their will be a small boost in Universals attendence.


It looks as if they have enough room for 2 more resorts on the patch of land just south of IOA and also enough room for the water park.

Does anyone think that with the saleing of the Lockheed expansion site that is making Universal rethink their whole plans of expansion? The obvious answer is yes, but in what ways do you think it will really impact them?
 
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Lynx04 said:
Does anyone think that with the saleing of the Lockheed expansion site that is making Universal rethink their whole plans of expansion? The obvious answer is yes, but in what ways do you think it will really impact them?
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The initial expansion plans included a golf course where Dr. Phillips currently resides, a resort and second CityWalk on the Lockheed land, and a Third park behind IoA. The park center would have shifted with the total expansion, and included 5 resorts (2 luxaries, 1 moderate, and 2 budget), three parks and two golf courses. It would have spanned across the road that runs by DP and have an incredibly unique layout.

That's why the selling of the Lockheed land aggrevates me so much. The third park was approved and finalized. They were just waiting on the right time to build it.

Unfortunately, I don't know how likely that is anymore.
 
marni1971

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Hi, all!
Nice to chat about something outside of WDW (as much as I love it, the tech in USF`s 2 parks attractions is awesome..)

I am as interested in USF`s planning and construction as I am WDW. One question - what is on the small piece of land between Wet n Wild and Universals main property? Is there no chance that they could decide to keep WnW where it is and try to aquire the land between the 2 (see below)?

Having done so, they could possibly link the WnW area with the main lot by bridging I-4 (public road, private road, tram route etc.) and I-Drive. What of the new lot on I-4? A small resort? This would free up space on the main lot west of I-4 for park use, and guests could still travel to all USF destination without going off property. Or, move the WnW parking lot here. The land the lot is presently on should be worth quite a bit. Even build a multi level garage, and have the link pass through it, with an integral station (should it be a tramway)

Quite a building project, but not as much as building a new park from scratch, and turning one park and a parking lot into a destination resort as they did in `98! Plus, Disney have done something similar in Anaheim..

One question - has any rumour ever surfaced regarding a planned transport network for USF? As it is, the water taxis, walkways and elevated speed ramps seem capable right now, but surely there will be a time when more is needed. Are there currently trams or similar for hotel guests to avoid the (relativley slow) water taxis?
 

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marni1971 said:
Hi, all!
Nice to chat about something outside of WDW (as much as I love it, the tech in USF`s 2 parks attractions is awesome..)

I am as interested in USF`s planning and construction as I am WDW. One question - what is on the small piece of land between Wet n Wild and Universals main property? Is there no chance that they could decide to keep WnW where it is and try to aquire the land between the 2 (see below)?

Having done so, they could possibly link the WnW area with the main lot by bridging I-4 (public road, private road, tram route etc.) and I-Drive. What of the new lot on I-4? A small resort? This would free up space on the main lot west of I-4 for park use, and guests could still travel to all USF destination without going off property. Or, move the WnW parking lot here. The land the lot is presently on should be worth quite a bit. Even build a multi level garage, and have the link pass through it, with an integral station (should it be a tramway)

Quite a building project, but not as much as building a new park from scratch, and turning one park and a parking lot into a destination resort as they did in `98! Plus, Disney have done something similar in Anaheim..

One question - has any rumour ever surfaced regarding a planned transport network for USF? As it is, the water taxis, walkways and elevated speed ramps seem capable right now, but surely there will be a time when more is needed. Are there currently trams or similar for hotel guests to avoid the (relativley slow) water taxis?
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The land between WnW and USF is (if I remember correctly) quite a few office suites. They are also high-profile ones, considering they are near USF and WnW. That means lots of cash. Universal doesn't have the money it would take in order to buy and demolish that small parcel of land. That's why the movement will put WnW on-property. Also, they don't have to zone any construction across I-4 (which would be a beuracratic nightmare).

In regards to a transportation system, there was one involving the initial expansion plans on the Lockheed site. It was nessecary because of how far away the Lockheed land was. The specifics of it, I don't know. I would imagine it would be a monorail, or other Sky-Way system.
 
speck76

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The land between WnW and USF is (if I remember correctly) quite a few office suites. They are also high-profile ones, considering they are near USF and WnW. That means lots of cash. Universal doesn't have the money it would take in order to buy and demolish that small parcel of land. That's why the movement will put WnW on-property. Also, they don't have to zone any construction across I-4 (which would be a beuracratic nightmare).

In regards to a transportation system, there was one involving the initial expansion plans on the Lockheed site. It was nessecary because of how far away the Lockheed land was. The specifics of it, I don't know. I would imagine it would be a monorail, or other Sky-Way system.
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The land along I-drive goes for about $2million per acre......on North I-Drive, much of the land is worth more than the buildings that sit on it.

I am not sure why Universal would want to keep Wet N Wild where it is. They don't own the land that it sits on, so they are basically paying rent to have the park there. On top of that, the park is shoehorned in to a small parcel, and any thought of future expansion is limited.
 
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speck76 said:
The land along I-drive goes for about $2million per acre......on North I-Drive, much of the land is worth more than the buildings that sit on it.

I am not sure why Universal would want to keep Wet N Wild where it is. They don't own the land that it sits on, so they are basically paying rent to have the park there. On top of that, the park is shoehorned in to a small parcel, and any thought of future expansion is limited.
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The only reason they would move it on property would be if they had the extra land to fit it in. The Lockheed expansion (to my recollection) had Wet n' Wild staying put. Even though Universal is paying rent, it is probably more cost effective for the time being to just let it sit there. Development, removal and instillation of the water park would be expensive as heck. (Imagine moving an in-ground pool over 10 feet. That is essentially what Universal would be doing.)
 
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TAC said:
Would they actually move everything? Or would it be better to "rebuild" it or build it better, while continuing to keep WnW open?

I mean, if you basically closed WnW in order to move it, you would lose money in the short run. If you just built another WnW on your own property, made it bigger(?) and better, up to date technology etc, then closed and dismantled the old one.

Not casting doubts, inciting, etc just throwing my $.02 in. :wave:
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Good point, actually.

Universal COULD open an on-property park, and then close and sell off Wet n' Wild. However, then you run into the small risk of returns. Will they be able to get their money's worth out of the new park and selling the old? I think your idea COULD work, but USF isn't in the financial position right now to risk it.
 
speck76

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Legacy said:
Good point, actually.

Universal COULD open an on-property park, and then close and sell off Wet n' Wild. However, then you run into the small risk of returns. Will they be able to get their money's worth out of the new park and selling the old? I think your idea COULD work, but USF isn't in the financial position right now to risk it.
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The slides themselves would not be difficult to move. The pools would just be rebuilt.....it is not hard to build a pool. The only major issue would be the plumbing.
 
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hawkkid011790 said:
But how soon do you think till they move wet n wild

Whats is this about unviersal already had planned a third park, could someone tell me more
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There are no current plans to move Wet n' Wild, but is still in the idea phase. They are still developing Wet n' Wild where it is. When they stop doing that you can start anticipating a move.

The third park... sorry I can't tell you more, but that is all I know. A third park is designed and is/was ready to be built. USF was simply waiting for the right time to build it (2008-2010 time frame). However, I don't know the specific location. I am pretty sure it is the large plot of land that has been under predevelopment behind Jurassic Park (can't remember the road, but it's next to the I-4 ramp), but I'm not sure. The selling of the Lockheed land might have cancled all of these plans though. I haven't talked to people about it in a while. I'll see who I can find the next time I'm there and see what I can dig up.

Nemo, CityWalk2 was necessary because of how spread out the resort was to become. Another two parking garages would have been built to feed the third park, and the second CityWalk was to service them.

I wish I could find a layout of the plans on-line...

:brick:
 
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hawkkid011790 said:
so exactly what was supposed to happen on the Lookhead property?, could some supply a photo
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Massive expansion, the details of which I stated in a previous post. I would post pictures if I had any, but sadly I do not.
 
Lynx04

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NemoRocks78

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Nemo, CityWalk2 was necessary because of how spread out the resort was to become. Another two parking garages would have been built to feed the third park, and the second CityWalk was to service them.
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Well that makes sense....I guess it would also be nice to see some new stuff as well.

I think park #3 will happen some day.....that is, of course, if they ever can get the land.
 

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