Universal Vs Disney: Universal on the rise?!

[danlb_2000]

I swear this is historically laughable. Again you have no idea what is going on and you are spouting lies.

If this is going to be debated, lets look at the facts. FightonIrish312, if you wish to refute any of this please offer sources for your data.

Name one thing that 74 or Disneyhead said that was an opinion and not a fact. Hotel occupancy is down (fact).

“Occupancy in Disney hotels was 82 percent in fiscal 2011, the same as 2010 but down from 89 percent in 2008.“
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-23/news/os-disney-hotel-guts-20120423_1_animation-resort-hotel-rooms-lower-priced-hotel

"However, we think occupancy levels are flat to down [year over year], particularly at the deluxe resorts and only slightly better at the value/All-Star resorts,"
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-resort-hotel-rooms-average-nightly-room-rate

Attendance is down/stagnant (fact).

WDW Attendance pulled from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amusement_park_rankings but based on TEA/AECOM Global Attractions Report.

2008: 47,146,000
2009: 47,513,000
2010: 47,086,000
2011: 47,449,000

2012: “Attendance at Walt Disney World was down slightly for the year”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-08/news/os-disney-earnings-4th-quarter-20121108_1_iger-record-revenue-theme-parks

Guest spending is down at WDW (fact).

Guest spending at Disney parks is up overall, but I can't find any supporting evidence for WDW being down.

DME usage is down (fact).

“According to the Orlando International Airport, Walt Disney World'sMagical Express service has had a decline in ridership during the first half of 2012. Riders were down 1 percent, or 11,000 guests, from the same time in 2011”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/the-...gical-express-traffic-20120723,0,257571.story

 

[FightonIrish312]

If this is going to be debated, lets look at the facts. FightonIrish312, if you wish to refute any of this please offer sources for your data.



“Occupancy in Disney hotels was 82 percent in fiscal 2011, the same as 2010 but down from 89 percent in 2008.“
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-23/news/os-disney-hotel-guts-20120423_1_animation-resort-hotel-rooms-lower-priced-hotel

"However, we think occupancy levels are flat to down [year over year], particularly at the deluxe resorts and only slightly better at the value/All-Star resorts,"
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...-resort-hotel-rooms-average-nightly-room-rate



WDW Attendance pulled from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amusement_park_rankings but based on TEA/AECOM Global Attractions Report.

2008: 47,146,000
2009: 47,513,000
2010: 47,086,000
2011: 47,449,000

2012: “Attendance at Walt Disney World was down slightly for the year”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-08/news/os-disney-earnings-4th-quarter-20121108_1_iger-record-revenue-theme-parks




Guest spending at Disney parks is up overall, but I can't find any supporting evidence for WDW being down.



“According to the Orlando International Airport, Walt Disney World'sMagical Express service has had a decline in ridership during the first half of 2012. Riders were down 1 percent, or 11,000 guests, from the same time in 2011”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/the-...gical-express-traffic-20120723,0,257571.story

Its always refreshing when a person actually uses facts. The other person just spouts crap and uses it to attack disney. I never disputed any of those claims....

 

[BryceM]

Funny how the idiots and morons are people like you...but then again you dont understand much do you?

Funny how earlier you complained about not being able to hold an adult conversation on these boards when in fact, you're the most immature here.

All I have to say is "pot meet kettle".

 

[marni1971]

When you walk into someone's house for the first time you stand politely on the doormat.

You don't trounce in and put your feet up on the sofa.

 

[wm49rs]

When you walk into someone's house for the first time you stand politely on the doormat.

You don't trounce in and put your feet up on the sofa.

Oh but Sir, this isn't his first time in the house. He's trounced what, 3 or 4 times before this?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

3 or 4 times before this?

Is it safe to assume its been 312 times, based on the username? I've lost count at this point.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Its always refreshing when a person actually uses facts. The other person just spouts crap and uses it to attack disney. I never disputed any of those claims....

You realize he only proved what I said, right? You realize the FACTS he posted backed me up.

 

[cba]

Oh but Sir, this isn't his first time in the house. He's trounced what, 3 or 4 times before this?

What are you talking about? He's been doing this ever since he met us, 5 years, 4 months, 17 days ago. Around 648 times, but whose counting?

 

[Captain Chaos]

You know, you can stop calling dxer07002 and idiot and a moron and talk about Disney.

cba, see, people like Irish, they can't stop calling names because they cannot defend how wrong they are... They cannot engage in a civil discussion because they have no idea what they are talking... It is like this: when someone makes an argument, and cannot support that argument with one fact what so ever, and is trounced in any kind of debate, they resort to immaturity and name calling because they were made to look foolish... Happens all the time with people who do not educate themselves before sprouting off at the mouth...

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Funny how the idiots and morons are people like you...but then again you dont understand much do you?

Have you considered he may understand plenty but is tailoring his posts so someone with a limited vocabulary can understand.
Sure its only the craic.

 

[BryceM]

What are you talking about? He's been doing this ever since he met us, 5 years, 4 months, 17 days ago. Around 648 times, but whose counting?

He has? Sorry, I'm new-ish here.

 

[Captain Chaos]

He has? Sorry, I'm new-ish here.

Back story: there is a lonely person somewhere out there who's sole purpose in life is to constantly come to WDWMagic and troll, start fights, and get banned over and over again... irish is just another one of those personalities of this most deranged person...

 

[BryceM]

Back story: there is a lonely person somewhere out there who's sole purpose in life is to constantly come to WDWMagic and troll, start fights, and get banned over and over again... irish is just another one of those personalities of this most deranged person...

Oh, is he that JT person? I actually saw him on the forums before he got banned!

 

[Captain Chaos]

Oh, is he that JT person? I actually saw him on the forums before he got banned!

There was a member called bullsforthewin who came here, trolled, started fights (in the same exact manner as Irish), got banned, and came here under several other names over and over again.... I forget what his most recent personality was... But he gets caught by membership here right away...

But, on to a different topic: JT was banned?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Oh, is he that JT person? I actually saw him on the forums before he got banned!

I don't think so, and I don't think jt04 has been banned.

There was a member called bullsforthewin who came here, trolled, started fights (in the same exact manner as Irish), got banned, and came here under several other names over and over again.... I forget what his most recent personality was... But he gets caught by membership here right away...

I thought something was up the first time I read one of his posts. He really needs to change his style if he wants to last longer.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I don't think so, and I don't think jt04 has been banned.


I thought something was up the first time I read one of his posts. He really needs to change his style if he wants to last longer.

Dude needs to seek professional help is more like it..

 

[danlb_2000]

There was a member called bullsforthewin who came here, trolled, started fights (in the same exact manner as Irish), got banned, and came here under several other names over and over again.... I forget what his most recent personality was... But he gets caught by membership here right away...

But, on to a different topic: JT was banned?

I don't think JT was banned, just hasn't been around in a while. One of his last posts mentioned being busy. An although some of JT's views on things may have been a little misguided he generally wasn't rude.

 

[BryceM]

There was a member called bullsforthewin who came here, trolled, started fights (in the same exact manner as Irish), got banned, and came here under several other names over and over again.... I forget what his most recent personality was... But he gets caught by membership here right away...

But, on to a different topic: JT was banned?

I don't think so, I just was thinking of the wrong person.

 

[wm49rs]

There was a member called bullsforthewin who came here, trolled, started fights (in the same exact manner as Irish), got banned, and came here under several other names over and over again.... I forget what his most recent personality was... But he gets caught by membership here right away...

But, on to a different topic: JT was banned?

Avengers something was another moniker....

And not that I'm aware of.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I don't think JT was banned, just hasn't been around in a while. One of his last posts mentioned being busy. An although some of JT's views on things may have been a little misguided he generally wasn't rude.

I have him on ignore so I wouldn't know one way or the other... Oh well, don't care really.. Thanks dan!

Avengers something was another moniker....

And not that I'm aware of.

Yes, Avengers was another one... I thought he may have been pitchforkman too, but I could be mistaken...