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StarWarsGirl

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No
What does Fastpass have to do with anything? Also, just because it's great for families with kids doesn't mean Disney won't get rid of it.

Maybe not soon, but I can see Disney axing Autopia sometime in the future. It's expensive to maintain, Chevron never renewed their contract and it takes up a lot of space. Autopia is bigger than all of Fantasyland.

I disagree. I think they'll keep it for the simple reason that it's the only original ride in Tomorrowland.

Of course, you could be right too. After all, look what happened to Snow White in WDW. But that was a less popular attraction than Autopia
 

lazyboy97o

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Autopia is a Fast Pass attraction (that actually means something in Disneyland, a must-ride for many), has a high hourly capacity, and is a rite of passage for young kids and their families. They'll probably upgrade it to an all-electric version, like in HKDL . . . Autopia was quickly put into HKDL as this sort of attraction remains popular.

Last time I checked, Autopia had a 45-minute wait time . . .
Before 2000 today's Autopia was two separate attractions. I see no reason why the current Autopia and its loading facilities could not be removed while still leaving enough track for a successor attraction.
 

Californian Elitist

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I disagree. I think they'll keep it for the simple reason that it's the only original ride in Tomorrowland.

Of course, you could be right too. After all, look what happened to Snow White in WDW. But that was a less popular attraction than Autopia

Disney doesn't really care about original rides. They could and would gut Autopia. There aren't many originals left, anyway.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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What does Fastpass have to do with anything? Also, just because it's great for families with kids doesn't mean Disney won't get rid of it.

Maybe not soon, but I can see Disney axing Autopia sometime in the future. It's expensive to maintain, Chevron never renewed their contract and it takes up a lot of space. Autopia is bigger than all of Fantasyland.

??? Fast Pass is often used by guests in Disneyland who have "must-rides" like Indy and Splash. It is a measure of popularity. Splash is probably more expensive to maintain that Autopia (a massive schedule refurb, work on the flumes, we're talking about keeping go-carts going here) . . . and Autopia has a higher hourly capacity. Autopia sits on top of the Subs. Subs ain't going, and I doubt Autopia will either.

Oh, and an electric Autopia would be easier to maintain. Fewer moving parts.

It's not that Autopia is great for families and little kids, they love the attraction.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Before 2000 today's Autopia was two separate attractions. I see no reason why the current Autopia and its loading facilities could not be removed while still leaving enough track for a successor attraction.

That's quite true. However, I believe Miceage said Autopia and Subs gone to expand Tomorrowland. A good chunk of Autopia sits over the Subs, minus a piece near the motor boat dock and the queue. Why is Autopia's queue massive? Because it is so popular.

An electric Autopia with new theming would be awesome.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
??? Fast Pass if often used by guests in Disneyland who have "must-rides" like Indy and Splash. It is a measure of popularity. Splash is probably more expensive to maintain that Autopia (a massive schedule refurb, work on the flumes, we're talking about keeping go-carts going here) . . . and Autopia has a higher hourly capacity. Autopia sits on top of the Subs. Subs ain't going, and I doubt Autopia will either.

Oh, and an electric Autopia would be easier to maintain. Fewer moving parts.

It's not that Autopia is great for families and little kids, they love the attraction.

Exactly. Every kid wants to drive before they have their license. Sorry @raven24, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
 

Captain Neo

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Autopia is a Fast Pass attraction (that actually means something in Disneyland, a must-ride for many), has a high hourly capacity, and is a rite of passage for young kids and their families. They'll probably upgrade it to an all-electric version, like in HKDL . . . Autopia was quickly put into HKDL as this sort of attraction remains popular.

Last time I checked, Autopia had a 45-minute wait time . . .

I got the distinct impression that there would be a D23 major DHS announcement (plans not finalized), based on insider sources, it hasn't happened. Also told last year that DHS Carsland was oh, so close to being green lit, but it didn't happen. Sometimes sources mess stuff up, maybe somebody is having some fun with insiders here, who knows? But not all rumors are true.

no sh*t. I only adress the legit ones.

I also get the funny feeling you will disappear when these attractions get announced and walls start going up.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
The WDW Speedway is equally popular, though they've sliced into it's footprint in the past. But, I've seen it with longer lines than Space Mountain on a medium-busy day. As noted, kids love to drive while they are kids...

I too have seen this phenomenon, especially in January when it's mostly younger kids.
 

Californian Elitist

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??? Fast Pass is often used by guests in Disneyland who have "must-rides" like Indy and Splash. It is a measure of popularity. Splash is probably more expensive to maintain that Autopia (a massive schedule refurb, work on the flumes, we're talking about keeping go-carts going here) . . . and Autopia has a higher hourly capacity. Autopia sits on top of the Subs. Subs ain't going, and I doubt Autopia will either.

Oh, and an electric Autopia would be easier to maintain. Fewer moving parts.

It's not that Autopia is great for families and little kids, they love the attraction.

You can count on one hand how many people get Fastpasses for Autopia. Wait times range between 20 and 30 minutes, it's not one of Disneyland's most popular rides.

I never said it's going anywhere now, but it could very well go years from now, which is my point. I can't see the Subs staying forever.

Clearly electric cars would suit better, but ask yourself, is Disney really going to do it. Probably not.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
The Tiki Room isn't an opening day attraction.

Look up the opening day attractions and see which ones aren't there anymore. They've gotten rid of opening day attractions before, it's not like it's never been done before.

Yes, I know, Snow White is the prime example, but I just can't see Disney getting rid of Autopia. It's a theme park staple. It's popular. Disney has kept around rides that are expensive to maintain in the past, and the whole reason that Autopia is that huge is because it was so popular that they added a second version before combining it. The opening day attractions that they've gotten rid of are more ones not relevant anymore. For example, Snow White was not popular at WDW. I never saw it get over a 30 minute wait. Usually I walked on it. Most of the Tomorrowland attractions became dated. It happens. Plus with the monorail tracks in the way, it'd be hard to put something else in.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Exactly. Every kid wants to drive before they have their license. Sorry @raven24, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Yup. The Autopia is kinda the original interactive game for kids. People thought that Carsland would kill Autopia, but RSR and Autopia are two different rides. Adults are happy to sit back and let the computer do the driving on RSR, young kids see Autopia and they want to go on it immediately.

In a lot of ways Autopia (at least at Disneyland) is a whole lot better than Dumbo. Dumbo spins you around in a circle, you get to decide the altitude, but that's it. Autopia in Disneyland is a nice scenic escape from the bustle of the park, and you're driving. Kids love it, and parents love watching their kids enjoy it.
 

StarWarsGirl

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No
Yup. The Autopia is kinda the original interactive game for kids. People thought that Carsland would kill Autopia, but RSR and Autopia are two different rides. Adults are happy to sit back and let the computer do the driving on RSR, young kids see Autopia and they want to go on it immediately.

In a lot of ways Autopia (at least at Disneyland) is a whole lot better than Dumbo. Dumbo spins you around in a circle, you get to decide the altitude, but that's it. Autopia in Disneyland is a nice scenic escape from the bustle of the park, and you're driving. Kids love it, and parents love watching their kids enjoy it.

Exactly. But then again, Test Track didn't kill the Indy Speedway any.
 

Skip

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Autopia is a Fast Pass attraction (that actually means something in Disneyland, a must-ride for many), has a high hourly capacity, and is a rite of passage for young kids and their families. They'll probably upgrade it to an all-electric version, like in HKDL . . . Autopia was quickly put into HKDL as this sort of attraction remains popular.

Last time I checked, Autopia had a 45-minute wait time . . .

I got the distinct impression that there would be a D23 major DHS announcement (plans not finalized), based on insider sources, it hasn't happened. Also told last year that DHS Carsland was oh, so close to being green lit, but it didn't happen. Sometimes sources mess stuff up, maybe somebody is having some fun with insiders here, who knows? But not all rumors are true.


You're so dense I struggle to comprehend it. Really. Here's Pixie once again with his "all of the insiders are wrong and here's why my armchair imagineering ideas are better." Get over yourself.

Autopia has a long wait because it has an abysmal capacity. Who the hell told you it has a high hourly capacity? Loading those suckers is not quick, easy, or cheap, and it builds lines because it can't handle the amount of people who want to get on it, which I guarantee you isn't as much as Space Mountain (which has a MUCH higher capacity). It was added to HKDL because they could do it quickly and inexpensively (it was bundled with a "Stitch Encounter" television interactive experience and a tiny water play area. Seriously, that "expansion" was desperately thrown together.) I assure you Disneyland will not hesitate to hack it out if they can find something better that works in the space. It costs a crapload to run with the fuel and whatnot (though an electric upgrade in the future certainly is a possibility if they intend to keep it around for a while). That said, the difficulty in removing it has already been pointed out - it shares space with Monorail and the Subs' show building, making use of the space rather limiting and difficult. I believe that's the only reason they've survived this long. I don't deny that there's an inherent appeal of "driving" to kids - but that won't save it if Disney finds something more lucrative.

Fastpass is on the ride because it has long lines. Period. (It has long lines because it has a poor capacity coupled with decent rider interest.) Haunted Mansion and Pirates are VERY popular and see huge day-to-day ridership, way more I suspect than Autopia, yet neither have FastPass... why? Because they don't get lines because they have massive capacities. No one wants to use a FastPass for an attraction they don't need it for. FastPass isn't a blessing to attractions that Disney has decided are immortal, it's a tool to allow people to skip lines for attractions that have them. (Hell, Roger Rabbit has FastPass.)

Meanwhile, you claim the Star Wars Bike Tomorrowland thing isn't happening because *YOU* (emphasis needed, apparently) don't like it. You think they're ugly. You think kids like the prequels more. You think it isn't iconic. Whatever. You can have your opinion, but you CANNOT use solely your opinion on the potential quality of a proposed attraction to justify why it won't logically happen. I have my own doubts about the legitimacy of that project, and it's not because I think the cars are ugly. Get off your high horse and have logical discussions with the rest of us. I don't like Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor very much at all... but Disney still built it and continues to operate it. And hell, whether you like it or not, they might build one in Tomorrowland. The parks don't cater to your aesthetic tastes or your ideas of how Disney should expand DHS or any of this crap.

Funny thing with you... insider info is only valid if you like what they provide. Suddenly, if Miceage provides info that isn't agreeable to your godly tastes, they become "very unreliable," despite the fact that @WDW1974, @Lee, etc. are/were reporting the same or similar things (and both have had strong records, especially the former with the West coast). Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I don't really care for quite a few of the proposed projects that are apparently moving closer and closer to the construction phase, but I'm honestly kind of hoping they happen just so I can enjoy your quiet disappearance from these boards. Then I'll open the New York Times to see on the front page that there's a national outrage that Disney has pulled the Osborne lights -- oh, oops, that won't happen. ;)
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Yes, I know, Snow White is the prime example, but I just can't see Disney getting rid of Autopia. It's a theme park staple. It's popular. Disney has kept around rides that are expensive to maintain in the past, and the whole reason that Autopia is that huge is because it was so popular that they added a second version before combining it. The opening day attractions that they've gotten rid of are more ones not relevant anymore. For example, Snow White was not popular at WDW. I never saw it get over a 30 minute wait. Usually I walked on it. Most of the Tomorrowland attractions became dated. It happens. Plus with the monorail tracks in the way, it'd be hard to put something else in.

It would be expensive to take out, and they'd lose a popular attraction. Autopia could also get a cool theme, make the cars electric, but Mr. Toadish looking, and more the queue to Fantasyland as part of a Toad's Garage, put in some bucolic english country side scenery, and you have the same attraction, but with a novel feel.
 

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