Two Spirited Quickees...Imagination closing

Californian Elitist

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Yes, I know, Snow White is the prime example, but I just can't see Disney getting rid of Autopia. It's a theme park staple. It's popular. Disney has kept around rides that are expensive to maintain in the past, and the whole reason that Autopia is that huge is because it was so popular that they added a second version before combining it. The opening day attractions that they've gotten rid of are more ones not relevant anymore. For example, Snow White was not popular at WDW. I never saw it get over a 30 minute wait. Usually I walked on it. Most of the Tomorrowland attractions became dated. It happens. Plus with the monorail tracks in the way, it'd be hard to put something else in.


Where are people getting the idea that Autopia is so popular? It's really not.

To say Disney would NEVER get rid of Autopia is a little absurd. Can I see them getting rid of it in the next few decades? No, but to say it's never going to happen... Well, I don't see how anyone can say that. A lot of people would LOVE to see Autopia bite the dust and feel it's no longer relevant. Actually, in its current state right now, it's not. Autopia hasnt't fit the Tomorrowland theme in years.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
You're so dense I struggle to comprehend it. Really. Here's Pixie once again with his "all of the insiders are wrong and here's why my armchair imagineering ideas are better." Get over yourself.

That was mean. Pixie is entitled to her opinion. Even if we happen to be wrong.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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Autopia hasnt't fit the Tomorrowland theme in years.

Wasn't there just a New York Times article about how Google wanted to make the Google car so easy to drive that 5 year old could drive themselves to kindergarten? I guess seeing youngsters in cars really is the future! Who would have known?;)
 

Taylor

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You're so dense I struggle to comprehend it. Really. Here's Pixie once again with his "all of the insiders are wrong and here's why my armchair imagineering ideas are better." Get over yourself.

Autopia has a long wait because it has an abysmal capacity. Who the hell told you it has a high hourly capacity? Loading those suckers is not quick, easy, or cheap, and it builds lines because it can't handle the amount of people who want to get on it, which I guarantee you isn't as much as Space Mountain (which has a MUCH higher capacity). It was added to HKDL because they could do it quickly and inexpensively (it was bundled with a "Stitch Encounter" television interactive experience and a tiny water play area. Seriously, that "expansion" was desperately thrown together.) I assure you Disneyland will not hesitate to hack it out if they can find something better that works in the space. It costs a crapload to run with the fuel and whatnot (though an electric upgrade in the future certainly is a possibility if they intend to keep it around for a while). That said, the difficulty in removing it has already been pointed out - it shares space with Monorail and the Subs' show building, making use of the space rather limiting and difficult. I believe that's the only reason they've survived this long. I don't deny that there's an inherent appeal of "driving" to kids - but that won't save it if Disney finds something more lucrative.

Fastpass is on the ride because it has long lines. Period. (It has long lines because it has a poor capacity coupled with decent rider interest.) Haunted Mansion and Pirates are VERY popular and see huge day-to-day ridership, way more I suspect than Autopia, yet neither have FastPass... why? Because they don't get lines because they have massive capacities. No one wants to use a FastPass for an attraction they don't need it for. FastPass isn't a blessing to attractions that Disney has decided are immortal, it's a tool to allow people to skip lines for attractions that have them. (Hell, Roger Rabbit has FastPass.)

Meanwhile, you claim the Star Wars Bike Tomorrowland thing isn't happening because *YOU* (emphasis needed, apparently) don't like it. You think they're ugly. You think kids like the prequels more. You think it isn't iconic. Whatever. You can have your opinion, but you CANNOT use solely your opinion on the potential quality of a proposed attraction to justify why it won't logically happen. I have my own doubts about the legitimacy of that project, and it's not because I think the cars are ugly. Get off your high horse and have logical discussions with the rest of us. I don't like Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor very much at all... but Disney still built it and continues to operate it. And hell, whether you like it or not, they might build one in Tomorrowland. The parks don't cater to your aesthetic tastes or your ideas of how Disney should expand DHS or any of this crap.

Funny thing with you... insider info is only valid if you like what they provide. Suddenly, if Miceage provides info that isn't agreeable to your godly tastes, they become "very unreliable," despite the fact that @WDW1974, @Lee, etc. are/were reporting the same or similar things (and both have had strong records, especially the former with the West coast). Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I don't really care for quite a few of the proposed projects that are apparently moving closer and closer to the construction phase, but I'm honestly kind of hoping they happen just so I can enjoy your quiet disappearance from these boards. Then I'll open the New York Times to see on the front page that there's a national outrage that Disney has pulled the Osborne lights -- oh, oops, that won't happen. ;)
You have won the Internet for today congrats good sir.
 

Californian Elitist

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You're so dense I struggle to comprehend it. Really. Here's Pixie once again with his "all of the insiders are wrong and here's why my armchair imagineering ideas are better." Get over yourself.

Autopia has a long wait because it has an abysmal capacity. Who the hell told you it has a high hourly capacity? Loading those suckers is not quick, easy, or cheap, and it builds lines because it can't handle the amount of people who want to get on it, which I guarantee you isn't as much as Space Mountain (which has a MUCH higher capacity). It was added to HKDL because they could do it quickly and inexpensively (it was bundled with a "Stitch Encounter" television interactive experience and a tiny water play area. Seriously, that "expansion" was desperately thrown together.) I assure you Disneyland will not hesitate to hack it out if they can find something better that works in the space. It costs a crapload to run with the fuel and whatnot (though an electric upgrade in the future certainly is a possibility if they intend to keep it around for a while). That said, the difficulty in removing it has already been pointed out - it shares space with Monorail and the Subs' show building, making use of the space rather limiting and difficult. I believe that's the only reason they've survived this long. I don't deny that there's an inherent appeal of "driving" to kids - but that won't save it if Disney finds something more lucrative.

Fastpass is on the ride because it has long lines. Period. (It has long lines because it has a poor capacity coupled with decent rider interest.) Haunted Mansion and Pirates are VERY popular and see huge day-to-day ridership, way more I suspect than Autopia, yet neither have FastPass... why? Because they don't get lines because they have massive capacities. No one wants to use a FastPass for an attraction they don't need it for. FastPass isn't a blessing to attractions that Disney has decided are immortal, it's a tool to allow people to skip lines for attractions that have them. (Hell, Roger Rabbit has FastPass.)

Meanwhile, you claim the Star Wars Bike Tomorrowland thing isn't happening because *YOU* (emphasis needed, apparently) don't like it. You think they're ugly. You think kids like the prequels more. You think it isn't iconic. Whatever. You can have your opinion, but you CANNOT use solely your opinion on the potential quality of a proposed attraction to justify why it won't logically happen. I have my own doubts about the legitimacy of that project, and it's not because I think the cars are ugly. Get off your high horse and have logical discussions with the rest of us. I don't like Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor very much at all... but Disney still built it and continues to operate it. And hell, whether you like it or not, they might build one in Tomorrowland. The parks don't cater to your aesthetic tastes or your ideas of how Disney should expand DHS or any of this crap.

Funny thing with you... insider info is only valid if you like what they provide. Suddenly, if Miceage provides info that isn't agreeable to your godly tastes, they become "very unreliable," despite the fact that @WDW1974, @Lee, etc. are/were reporting the same or similar things (and both have had strong records, especially the former with the West coast). Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I don't really care for quite a few of the proposed projects that are apparently moving closer and closer to the construction phase, but I'm honestly kind of hoping they happen just so I can enjoy your quiet disappearance from these boards. Then I'll open the New York Times to see on the front page that there's a national outrage that Disney has pulled the Osborne lights -- oh, oops, that won't happen. ;)


AMEN!!!! Preach to this guy! Goodness gracious, I wish there was a "Love" option.
 

Skip

Well-Known Member
Autopia does have a high hourly capacity because you load a ton of cars at the same time.

http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/disneyland/secrets/Tomorrow/Autopia.html

OHRC 1800, theoretical 2000 guest per hour.


Yeah, with a maximum of 3 people in each seat (more typically 2, one kid and a parent). I don't buy that 1800 figure for a minute, and even if it is accuruate it pales in comparison to Mansion or Pirates (who, again, don't carry FastPass despite being popular attractions. Actually, Jungle Cruise in DLR doesn't, either.)

Is that really all you got from my post? There was a hair more to it.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
Where are people getting the idea that Autopia is so popular? It's really not.

To say Disney would NEVER get rid of Autopia is a little absurd. Can I see them getting rid of it in the next few decades? No, but to say it's never going to happen... Well, I don't see how anyone can say that. A lot of people would LOVE to see Autopia bite the dust and feel it's no longer relevant. Actually, in its current state right now, it's not. Autopia hasnt't fit the Tomorrowland theme in years.

Fine. You've made your point. You know the park better than we do (that's not meant to be insulting, it's true, which is why I consider your argument valid). My observations of it have been different, so I disagree, but we'll agree to disagree on this one.
 

Californian Elitist

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Wasn't there just a New York Times article about how Google wanted to make the Google car so easy to drive that 5 year old could drive themselves to kindergarten? I guess seeing youngsters in cars really is the future! Who would have known?;)


Dear Jesus, help me.

You need to read up on your Disneyland, or more specifically, your Autopia history, as a kid behind the wheel was not the futuristic idea it was going after.
 

Skip

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That was mean. Pixie is entitled to her opinion. Even if we happen to be wrong.


Sorry, I've run out of patience and tolerance for Pixie's uninformed "opinions" derailing threads on projects he doesn't like around here. If someone wants to argue against the possibility of these expansions coming to fruition, fine, but it can't be from made-up/inaccurate "facts," claiming insiders (who by their very definition have consistently proved they have inside information...) are wrong and unreliable when the one making the claim doesn't know $#!t, and saying they won't happen because *their* ideas are "better." When someone is engaging in one or all three of these, it's impossible and simply not enjoyable to have a conversation/debate with someone.

I welcome thoughtful, insightful discussion and debate on these boards, and Pixie provides the exact opposite of that.

Oh, and I can't stand when someone only replies to points that they feel like responding to. If you expect to be taken seriously, one should consider discussing all points levied against their claims instead of just correcting the supposed hourly capacity of Autopia that is drawn from a 1990's era website that misspells "irregular." Come on, the guy isn't even trying to have a real dialogue here.
 

Pixiedustmaker

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You can have your opinion, but you CANNOT use solely your opinion on the potential quality of a proposed attraction to justify why it won't logically happen. I have my own doubts about the legitimacy of that project, and it's not because I think the cars are ugly. Get off your high horse and have logical discussions with the rest of us. I don't like Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor very much at all... but Disney still built it and continues to operate it.

Funny thing with you... insider info is only valid if you like what they provide. Suddenly, if Miceage provides info that isn't agreeable to your godly tastes, they become "very unreliable," despite the fact that @WDW1974, @Lee, etc. are/were reporting the same or similar things (and both have had strong records, especially the former with the West coast). Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I think that aesthetics matter, quite a bit when it comes to attractions in Disneyland. For someone who wants to have a "logical" argument, you seem to be very emotional. A logical argument is not mutually exclusive to a discussion of aesthetics.

An Iron Man attraction would be awesome, I'd be OK with a smaller Autopia, though I don't ride it much. But logically, you gotta look at an attraction's fan base.
 

Californian Elitist

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Fine. You've made your point. You know the park better than we do (that's not meant to be insulting, it's true, which is why I consider your argument valid). My observations of it have been different, so I disagree, but we'll agree to disagree on this one.


I guess so. You yourself stated its happened before so I can't understand why you're saying it can't happen to Autopia.
 

Skip

Well-Known Member
I think that aesthetics matter, quite a bit when it comes to attractions in Disneyland. For someone who wants to have a "logical" argument, you seem to be very emotional. A logical argument is not mutually exclusive to discussion of aesthetics.

An Iron Man attraction would be awesome, I'd be OK with a smaller Autopia, though I don't ride it much. But logically, you gotta look at an attraction's fan base.


You've missed my point entirely, which really doesn't surprise me. I agree that aesthetics matter, just like I agree that theming integrity matters. Doesn't mean that we didn't get Stitch and Monsters Inc. in Tomorrowland or the ugly, bizarre Rocket Rods in Disneyland. Aesthetics are important, and not liking them is valid - but it isn't a valid reason to say an attraction isn't coming. Your personal dislike for the aesthetics of an attraction we haven't even seen concept art for doesn't discount the strong buzz (and potential likelihood) of the attraction being considered for DLR's Tomorrowland.

Autopia has no consistent fan base, unlike attractions like Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, or Space Mountain - that is, besides the temporary fan base of smaller children who want to drive a cute car, the same sort of ride they can see at their local fair. Small children will love anything kinetic and colorful. Tears will not be shed should it disappear. Disney has proven that even popular rides (the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea and Submarine Voyage attractions had long lines when they closed) will be shut down if they decide they will be - and Autopia isn't really all that popular to begin with. The moment Disney finds an attraction that works within that space's stringent limitations and can be more lucrative (say, an Ironman ride?), it's gone. It's expensive to maintain and the locals that feeds DLR won't care much.

You're getting better - you've responded to a handful of my points, but you've still missed quite a few. I'll be waiting.
 

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