WDWFanDave
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I thought the same thing when I saw the new movie reference...seems like, if they haven't destroyed everything from WoL, they might be able to repurpose some of it and keep costs down.
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Two Spirited Quickees...Imagination closing
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I thought the same thing when I saw the new movie reference...seems like, if they haven't destroyed everything from WoL, they might be able to repurpose some of it and keep costs down.
flynnibus
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It's not an industry loved attraction.. mostly because we all grow out of it. But if it were to go away completely, I'm sure you'd see a huge backlash.. it's big for that age group. And if we want to talk about stinkers.. the MK Speedway is one of them. Autopia is so much nicer and interesting.
Each time I've gone.. there has been a reasonable sized queue. Can you get a FP with only a 45+min out.. yeah.. but the whole upper deck of the queue was still used and full. On a busy day.. being able to encourage people to wait 30mins or so is pretty big. I mean.. we're talking DLR where 60min queues are considered atrocious and not worth waiting for
asianway
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I still dont see your point. It was temporary. The hat and the Wand were not. I think you are confusing whether it was aethetically pleasing vs temporary.
Californian Elitist
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It's not an industry loved attraction.. mostly because we all grow out of it. But if it were to go away completely, I'm sure you'd see a huge backlash.. it's big for that age group. And if we want to talk about stinkers.. the MK Speedway is one of them. Autopia is so much nicer and interesting.
Each time I've gone.. there has been a reasonable sized queue. Can you get a FP with only a 45+min out.. yeah.. but the whole upper deck of the queue was still used and full. On a busy day.. being able to encourage people to wait 30mins or so is pretty big. I mean.. we're talking DLR where 60min queues are considered atrocious and not worth waiting for
Oh, for sure. I definitely want to see Autopia stay forever. I'm one of the ones who want to see it updated and I don't want it to ever go away. There are others who feel the same way I do and would be totally crushed to see it go. It would definitely make the LA Times. But there are more people who want to see it go, which sucks. They want something better and want the space to be used for multiple attractions. I'm on the opposite end. I don't see Autopia leaving anytime soon, but there's no doubt in my mind Disney would get rid of it, ever. They've taken away things fans loved before (most recently Carnation Plaza Gardens... Not sure if that would compare to losing Autopia). Let's hope Autopia stays forever.
Lol 60 minutes isn't too long for some some attractions. I have no problem waiting an hour for Space and RSR... Maybe Matterhorn but that's pretty much it. All this talk I hear about Mermaid in MK reaching two hour waits just wouldn't fly here. That is just crazy!
asianway
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Not true, Kodak only had control of what went in the building while they were the sponsor. They retain no ownership rights to the character.
StarWarsGirl
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- In the Parks
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cheezbat
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Seriously the MK gets ridiculous waits at times...I've never seen a 120 minute wait on Disneylands Space, Mermaid, Splash, or Big Thunder, but I've seen all four of those hit 120+ minutes at MK more times than I care to remember.
We need more rides in all 4 WDW parks.
Californian Elitist
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That's really ridiculous. More rides indeed. Space, Splash and Thunder, I can see why those would hit two hour wait times but there's really no excuse for Mermaid. I wouldn't wait twenty minutes for that, let alone one hundred and twenty.
fewer rides at MK than DL so i totally agree
TP2000
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That's very interesting. A few key folks on Disneyland boards are still clinging to the belief that Al Lutz has this Anaheim stuff wrong on Monstropolis and Tomorrowland, because, you know, Al Lutz and his sources gets stuff so wrong consistently.
(Sarcasm Alert: The reality is that Al Lutz and his sources are very good and quite consistently accurate.)
This would also bode well for WDW, although the word "modest" is being used by Lutz a lot for the WDW plans. It seems things have been scaled down from the towering heights of a DCA-style 1.2 Billion Dollar Extreme Makeover for DHS. But more modest things are still percolating for that park. All per Al Lutz, of course, but he appears to be on the right track.
IHeartArt
Active Member
On the Imagination rumor... if it's true... and I'm tentatively hoping that it's true...
Admit it. You're afraid. There's a myriad of possibilities swirling around right now. They could turn it into some more special event space (as if they don't need that enough). I doubt that the glass pyramids are going to go down... but you're worried about that too, aren't you? They'll bulldoze the place and remake it into an IP themed pavilion that won't be relevant in five years, let alone a decade. They might just leave them standing and go IP anyways. Doofensmirtz Dream-Killer Incorporated going on in here. Everyone hop on board and let's experience a franchise that'll be outgrown by its generation in about maybe three years.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Take that to heart. There's always a risk to a theme park fan when a new attraction is built. It kills multiple other plans for the area... pet projects die hard. The risk has to be taken, though. Look at what we have right now. What happens if we don't risk that? It gets a big refurb, and then... Eric Idle continues to regale us on a ride we made the mistake of going on, by the end of it looking bored out of his mind. Nothing changes.
For me, that's the worst outcome. Nothing changes. Time marches on. You get older. Nothing changes. What if someone out there, some group of people deluded and confused enough to think that this is an actually fun ride, starts getting angry about any proposed changes? "You can't renovate this ride, Eric Idle passed away twelve years ago, you're killing his legacy!" "You can't change this, I have fond memories of Figment spewing fart gas on us like Juggalos getting Faygo doused on them at an ICP concert." "You can't change this, it's been around here for ages! You're killing a link to the classic turn of the century Epcot!" Nothing changes, and inertia to change builds up.
Take the risk gladly. The alternative is much worse. Whatever happens, this chapter in the pavilion's history will draw to a close. It's been a pretty awful chapter, so that's a positive right there... but whatever comes... just have hope, foolish as it may be, that it's going to be something close to what you want.
Maybe I'm wrong, and we're going to have angular children talking to us about Imagination soon. Maybe we get Cranium Command Redux. I think I'm going to try and make the point between right now and knowing anything solid about the pavilion's future a positive one. For once it's not a holding pattern. I trust 1974, even if occasionally I disagree with his feelings about the theme park and entertainment world in general, more than the other posters that have brought these rumors up, no offense. I'm going to take that risk and hope for something better.
To quote a shambling abomination of a ride that needs to be revived, "let the good times roll."
EDIT: And I doubt that, no matter what happens, Figment will be forever gone. He's the closest thing Epcot's got to branding other than architecture.
Admit it. You're afraid. There's a myriad of possibilities swirling around right now. They could turn it into some more special event space (as if they don't need that enough). I doubt that the glass pyramids are going to go down... but you're worried about that too, aren't you? They'll bulldoze the place and remake it into an IP themed pavilion that won't be relevant in five years, let alone a decade. They might just leave them standing and go IP anyways. Doofensmirtz Dream-Killer Incorporated going on in here. Everyone hop on board and let's experience a franchise that'll be outgrown by its generation in about maybe three years.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Take that to heart. There's always a risk to a theme park fan when a new attraction is built. It kills multiple other plans for the area... pet projects die hard. The risk has to be taken, though. Look at what we have right now. What happens if we don't risk that? It gets a big refurb, and then... Eric Idle continues to regale us on a ride we made the mistake of going on, by the end of it looking bored out of his mind. Nothing changes.
For me, that's the worst outcome. Nothing changes. Time marches on. You get older. Nothing changes. What if someone out there, some group of people deluded and confused enough to think that this is an actually fun ride, starts getting angry about any proposed changes? "You can't renovate this ride, Eric Idle passed away twelve years ago, you're killing his legacy!" "You can't change this, I have fond memories of Figment spewing fart gas on us like Juggalos getting Faygo doused on them at an ICP concert." "You can't change this, it's been around here for ages! You're killing a link to the classic turn of the century Epcot!" Nothing changes, and inertia to change builds up.
Take the risk gladly. The alternative is much worse. Whatever happens, this chapter in the pavilion's history will draw to a close. It's been a pretty awful chapter, so that's a positive right there... but whatever comes... just have hope, foolish as it may be, that it's going to be something close to what you want.
Maybe I'm wrong, and we're going to have angular children talking to us about Imagination soon. Maybe we get Cranium Command Redux. I think I'm going to try and make the point between right now and knowing anything solid about the pavilion's future a positive one. For once it's not a holding pattern. I trust 1974, even if occasionally I disagree with his feelings about the theme park and entertainment world in general, more than the other posters that have brought these rumors up, no offense. I'm going to take that risk and hope for something better.
To quote a shambling abomination of a ride that needs to be revived, "let the good times roll."
EDIT: And I doubt that, no matter what happens, Figment will be forever gone. He's the closest thing Epcot's got to branding other than architecture.
phenix has always called it somewhat modest..the question is, what price tag is modest? 600 million?That's very interesting. A few key folks on Disneyland boards are still clinging to the belief that Al Lutz has this Anaheim stuff wrong on Monstropolis and Tomorrowland, because, you know, Al Lutz and his sources gets stuff so wrong consistently.
(Sarcasm Alert: The reality is that Al Lutz and his sources are very good and quite consistently accurate.)
This would also bode well for WDW, although the word "modest" is being used by Lutz a lot for the WDW plans. It seems things have been scaled down from the towering heights of a DCA-style 1.2 Billion Dollar Extreme Makeover for DHS. But more modest things are still percolating for that park. All per Al Lutz, of course, but he appears to be on the right track.
lazyboy97o
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I'd sure like it if most of it was wrong. Nothing against them, I just do not like the ideas that are being pushed forward.That's very interesting. A few key folks on Disneyland boards are still clinging to the belief that Al Lutz has this Anaheim stuff wrong on Monstropolis and Tomorrowland, because, you know, Al Lutz and his sources gets stuff so wrong consistently.
willtravel
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Now the track being extended would be great. Happy if that happens.
Sad about the upstairs not opening. Would that be because of staffing $$$ ?
TP2000
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You have to realize that Mermaid at WDW was dropped into an area of the park that is a Ride Desert compared to Disneyland, in the most visited park on WDW property where the other entire parks have fewer rides than Disneyland's Fantasyland. There are more rides in Disneyland's Fantasyland than there are in all of Disney's Hollywood Studios or Animal Kingdom.
At DCA, Mermaid doesn't have Fastpass and very rarely gets to a 10 minute wait, and is usually 5 minutes or less on busy summer days; you just walk in through the big rotunda and step onto the loading belt at DCA.
At WDW Mermaid has Fastpass and will be able to be booked 60 days in advance with your MagicBand.
Mermaid is a really good example of how the two American theme park properties have gone in very different operational directions in the last five years. It's quite interesting to me how the One Disney thing standardized silly stuff like napkins and paper cups, while the more impactful stuff like the implementation of rides and shows have grown very different between WDW and Disneyland. One Disney, for whom exactly?
Easiest solution would be to convert the Indy Speedway to Cars and move it to DHS (instead of building RSR). It's cheap, it'd be insanely popular, and it would open up a ton of land at the MK.
Huh? It's a high capacity ride and usually has a pretty decent wait time. It's my son's favorite, but we have to skip it much of the time because of the wait time.
^ This. Knowing how cheap TDO is, this has always seemed to me to be the most likely scenario.
Californian Elitist
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Yeah, the wait times are decent. Twenty to thirty minutes, forty tops. It rarely, if never, reaches wait times higher than that. That doesn't make it this really popular ride that people are making it out to be. And by popular I mean both with crowds and its status with fans.
Mr Bill
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The use of FP is completely ridiculous at Mermaid. Right now, at 3:17 PM, the return time for Fastpass at Mermaid is 4:00 PM. The posted standby time is 60 minutes. There's such a huge supply of Fastpasses for Mermaid that the standby wait is often longer than the time you would get in if you had a Fastpass. The wait would rarely be over 20 minutes or so if there was no Fastpass and the standby line was kept moving constantly the way the ride is.