Lee
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TSI Paintbrush hunt officially done
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Bullsforthewin/pitchforkman. I forgot his other user names.
forevermickey
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us too.. My 6 year old just learned of this and keeps talking about it
I don't have the heart right now to tell her she is out of luck
The Empress Lilly
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Yeah, I don't get it. I would think it is fun for the CMs to hide those brushes, fun for the guests to look for them, especially for the younger guests. It's a fun tradition that one learns about long after the first trip, one of those things that keep the Disney parks fresh and fun for repeat customers.us too.. My 6 year old just learned of this and keeps talking about it
It doesn't cost a penny either. Except in time for the CM's - but can't it be incorporated into the routine of somebody doing the rounds of the islands?
Paint brushes are not something random - they are based on the actual Tom Sawyer stories. http://ensign.ftlcomm.com/people/TomNhuck/ted.html
So they are a fun way to introduce kids to Mark Twain, and to celebrate American culture by immersing them into its traditional stories.
Pixiedustmaker
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I heard about the paintbrushes when reading an online story about MK, I didn't know that they still did this up until recently. Hearing the story about guests running off of a raft looking for them sounds like (and this is just my theory) that with stricter/few fastpasses that management thought that somebody might get hurt looking for them giving the terrain of the island. I don't think they should have discontinued them, however, as apparently nobody's gotten hurt yet. But also consider that it is APers mostly that know about this, and that management hasn't care too much about APers feelings about changes.
I don't think they'll take out Tom Sawyer and use the island for something else as people who don't go over there enjoy it as well. The view of the island from the river boat is something that would potentially be lost.
I do think TSI is in decline, I used to like eating real food at Aunt Polly's and then they closed it down.
How would an E-Ticket on TSI work?
I'd figure they'd have to build an underground "cave" in order to allow access to the island without the use of rafts. For an E-ticket, it's have to be something themed to Frontierland which didn't have a big show building to wreck the view. I guess we're talking about a mine car type ride, and a lot of the island torn up for a queue. I don't think they'll do it as it wrecks the purpose of TSI, which is partly to provide a play-area for kids, and for a wonderful backdrop for the rest of Frontierland. Plus, it would be super expensive to drain the river and build the access tunnels. They won't get rid of the river boat to add a bridge as the project would just kill too many attractions to be worth it.
I don't think they'll take out Tom Sawyer and use the island for something else as people who don't go over there enjoy it as well. The view of the island from the river boat is something that would potentially be lost.
I do think TSI is in decline, I used to like eating real food at Aunt Polly's and then they closed it down.
How would an E-Ticket on TSI work?
I'd figure they'd have to build an underground "cave" in order to allow access to the island without the use of rafts. For an E-ticket, it's have to be something themed to Frontierland which didn't have a big show building to wreck the view. I guess we're talking about a mine car type ride, and a lot of the island torn up for a queue. I don't think they'll do it as it wrecks the purpose of TSI, which is partly to provide a play-area for kids, and for a wonderful backdrop for the rest of Frontierland. Plus, it would be super expensive to drain the river and build the access tunnels. They won't get rid of the river boat to add a bridge as the project would just kill too many attractions to be worth it.
Lee
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Actually...that's exactly what they would do.
Pixiedustmaker
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What's the worst that could happen? A parent and a kid find a paintbrush, don't know that the game is over, and try to get a fastpass. Castmember awkwardly explains that the game is over and it must be a workman's paintbrush or something. The kid has a great story to tell about finding one of the "last paintbrushes" from a scavenger hunt Disney no longer does.
But weren't the "pain-brushes" actually made out of wood or something, not real paint brushes? Whoever does it shouldn't buy modern-looking paintbrushes . . .
Pixiedustmaker
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Not really.
There are plenty of areas for expansion around MK, even around Frontierland. Guests line up for both TSI and the river boat, they'd have to add something with more capacity, which would be nearly impossible to do as TSI can accomodate a lot of guests, as can the river boat when fully loaded. Remember, capacity also includes guests waiting in line, to equal TSI they need to have a line that would hold all of the guests playing on TSI as well as those on the river boat and those waiting for it, and those waiting for the rafts.
This bogus rumor showed up a couple months ago, I asked my friend in Orlando about it and he said that this plan, which he never heard of, wouldn't add capacity to MK, something that they may be interested in doing if FLE does well. Frontierland/Liberty Square has three big E-tickets, Splash, Thunder, Haunted Mansion. They're looking more seriously at lands that need E-Tickets and serious upgrades, such as Adventureland, Tomorrowland, and there are rumors about Main Street as there is land between it and Tomorrowland.
You must know that the rumored plans for TSI in Disneyland involved an underground Injun Joe's (or something more politically correct), cave which would allow foot access to the island, and that all that that island could accomodate would be a show, or a small dark ride, built in the back. I hazard to guess that TDO would look at these plans.
There are bridges to TSI in Paris, but they also got a separate river for their version of the Mark Twain.
Lee
Adventurer
The plans for a ride on TSI would not completely replace the existing island, but add an attraction (and capacity) on the north end/expansion plot.
And yes, part of the plan included permanently docking the river boat, and the construction of a bridge.
I am aware of how it is done elsewhere, and the concept for the tunnel in DL. MK would be doing its own thing.
And yes, part of the plan included permanently docking the river boat, and the construction of a bridge.
I am aware of how it is done elsewhere, and the concept for the tunnel in DL. MK would be doing its own thing.
Pixiedustmaker
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There’s a lot of stuff in the morgue files at WDI, though apparently nothing recently about putting in a bridge to TSI in MK.
When they studied the issue in Disneyland, for the make-over of TSI’s pirate lair, they were worried about the number of guests wanting to visit the island, and they discussed putting in an underground Injun Joe’s cave access point near Splash Mountain, AND another one connecting to the area around near Big Thunder.
There was never any serious thought to a bridge. TSI remains a popular area of the park, and sort of a rite of passage for little kids whose parents visited the island as kids. Pirate's Lair has made TSI even more popular at Disneyland. TSI at MK could use some TLC.
Mark Twain in Disneyland can accommodate about 300 guests for a trip around the river, how many trips in an hour? Maybe 3-4, so maybe 1,000 guests per hour when the park is packed. Not too bad considering that guests not on the boat also like the sight of the boat going around the river. I doubt that a parked river boat in MK would get even a tenth as many guests. When things get busy in MK, this capacity helps.
What is Big Thunder’s ride capacity? 2,400? Take out the riverboat and you lose 1,000 guests/hour right there, plus, I don’t remember the exact figures for TSI, but maybe about 14,000 guests can visit a day, so a big E-Ticket would only add a capacity of about 200-400 guests per hour if you take down TSI and the river belle, and you would enrage Disney fans from here to Kalamazoo. I can see why my friend said that putting a bridge to TSI and building something there wouldn’t be an expansion at all and why he had heard nothing about this idea at all and suggested that it was a baseless rumor.
E-tickets are expensive, and recently Disney is only handing out money for E-tickets built on relatively unused land so that it increases park capacity.
Outside of the appearance of this rumor as a hoax, MK is very popular, and the area around the river is one of the most popular areas, 3 big E-tickets are here . . . there are plenty more areas that need to be "fixed." mostly by the expansion, not fan-boy type speculation about removing something which is entertaining guests and replacing it with something supposedly marginally better.
Pixiedustmaker
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Huh? The expansion area I presume you are talking about is the strip of land along the river (not TSI!), which runs from the HM up north, there have been various ideas for putting stuff back here and how to get guests there. If they ever put in another E-Ticket along the river it would be here and it would technically be part of Liberty Square, it will utilize this strip of land, which would be accessed by going down the river bank past HM, there is more land here along the river and North-easterly direction than the amount of land you would get by using TSI.
And this plans would allow for the park's capacity to be drastically increased, instead of just changing stuff that is already being used.
I got a backstage tour of this area by a friend who works wdw and he showed me where the suits are eyeballing for a future expansion. It so make sense as you'd have enough room for a queue along the river past HM, and the show building could be easily hidden.
Of course, what are the odds of that happening? They'd need to first enlarge the walkway through Fantasyland to Liberty Square . . .
Tom
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Even if they didn't do ANYTHING with TSI, the means of getting to and from the island are inefficient, secondly only to Astro Orbiter's ingenious elevator system. Docking or deleting the riverboat (a bore of an attraction in today's world) and adding a bridge would make sense no matter what.
Maybe then more people would go visit the island, thereby partially justifying its existence. A tunnel isn't really a viable option in WDW (given the water issues they already have). A tunnel would cost a fortune to build, but then you would have an elevator at each end for ADA compliance. They didn't have a lot of elevators in Tom Sawyer's era...so it would be an extremely awkward transition.
Utilizing the island for something far greater would get my vote regardless. The river is just a 7' deep concrete moat that can be drained in no time and used for construction access - even from backstage. The entire island could be isolated with very minimal disturbance to guests, should they do something with it and/or the river.
Maybe then more people would go visit the island, thereby partially justifying its existence. A tunnel isn't really a viable option in WDW (given the water issues they already have). A tunnel would cost a fortune to build, but then you would have an elevator at each end for ADA compliance. They didn't have a lot of elevators in Tom Sawyer's era...so it would be an extremely awkward transition.
Utilizing the island for something far greater would get my vote regardless. The river is just a 7' deep concrete moat that can be drained in no time and used for construction access - even from backstage. The entire island could be isolated with very minimal disturbance to guests, should they do something with it and/or the river.
Lee
Adventurer
The concept, and it certainly was no hoax, involved using both the northern end of TSI and he plot(s) north of the river.
The plots are north of the Mansion, and across the tracks to the north of TSI.
The riverboat would be docked, and a bridge built from the Frontierland side of the river.
Art for this exists, but I don't have it in my possession. Working to resolve that...
It's all rather moot, anyhow. Not gonna happen.
The plots are north of the Mansion, and across the tracks to the north of TSI.
The riverboat would be docked, and a bridge built from the Frontierland side of the river.
Art for this exists, but I don't have it in my possession. Working to resolve that...
It's all rather moot, anyhow. Not gonna happen.
Pixiedustmaker
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TSI has a capacity, adding a bridge could in theory mean that this area could become unsafely crowded considering that there are trails, rocks . . . stuff to fall on. The rafts work well as they sort of limit the capacity of the island as you have to take a raft over. TSI isn't nearly as big as some people assume, it more like two slivers of land. Also, an E-ticket will require maintenance, movement of heavy machinery/workers for this maintenance, it would be a pain in the booty to have to do this with a bridge, so they'd probably build a bridge for maintenance work and it would have to go in the back of the island, hence this area would be off limits to guests.
An elevator wouldn't be necessary for a tunnel with the proper slope. Anyway, a bridge to TSI defeats the purpose of it being TSI. Tom Sawyer didn't take a bridge to his island, but a raft.
I also don't think they would permanent dock the river boat as WDW already has one of these . . .
yoyoflamingo
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Lee
Adventurer
Also not gonna happen.
Tom
Beta Return
I agree with Lee in that neither of these will happen, and honestly, given the number of times the Riverboat goes down in a given year for a "refurb", it just makes sense to utilize the river for something else.
I'm all about nostalgia and relaxation in the parks, but even the Riverboat bores me to tears. I also have never liked the poorly delivered Mark Twain voiceover.
yoyoflamingo
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JimboJones123
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Is it just the water quality for the canoes not being reopened during peak season? DL runs them just fine.