News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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eddie104 said:
WDW pirates is literally exactly the same as DL’s with a few missing scenes and features. Also the order in which they occur may be a little different. Other than that this whole debate is completely overblown.

Personally I would love for the Shanghai’s pirates ride system to show up here in a new ride.

In my opinion this a non topic because this isn’t the POTC thread and should be about the upcoming Tron attraction.
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If you ignore all the things that are different, they are exactly the same. ;)
 
SpectreJordan

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SplashZander said:
I think Gringotts is one of the biggest blunders in recent theme park years, alongside Fast and Furious, due to its parking in front of screens, failure to set expectations properly, ride's substance primarily delivered through screens, and lack of excitement.

That opinion is undoubtedly a minority opinion among the GP, maybe not here, but regardless.

I don't think Shanghai POTC or Tron fail to set expectations properly, which is a HUGE part of whether or not a ride is perceived as good.

Shanghai's POTC entrance is nondescript, lacks a preshow, and delivers a masterclass experience.

While its canopy is far from subtle, Tron's exterior shows it's a fast-moving launching coaster. It delivers the excitement that it should. My ONLY issue with Tron's interior experience (queue, ride, loading, etc.) is its meager length. The experience is so fun and aesthetically cool you want more. Tron isn't a game-changing experience. It attempts to secure the cool and fun factor, and I believe it does very well. If a ride leaves you wanting more, it generally means it's a good ride (in Tron's case, I think it took this a bit too seriously).
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I definitely agree with you on Gringotts. I rode it for the first time in October & I was severely disappointed; that might've been intensified since I rode Velocicoaster & Hagrid's for the first time in the same day. The queue was better than the ride which plays into the expectations not being set part.

I also agree that the "wanting more" aspect is very important to a good ride. If you experience something & want more of it, then it's left an impression on you. That's important to spread word of mouth & to get repeat customers. For example, I actively want more of Velocicoaster & Hagrids; meanwhile, I'd be fine if I never rode Gringotts again.

I'm hoping I agree with you that Tron fits into these criteria when I finally get to ride it.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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Rich Brownn said:
WDW has the highlights version :)
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ToTBellHop

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MisterPenguin said:
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Not far off. Remember how you'd have the two pictures and have to spot the DIFFERENCES? I'll be like, "oh, there would be AA heads over there in the DL version!" or "in Disneyland, that skull used to be a REAL skull!" or "in Disneyland, someone threw me a dinner roll right here!" or "in Disneyland, this was about 10 minutes longer and longer is always better!" or "in France, this would be in French!" or "do they even have this ride in Tokyo? No one ever mentions it."
 
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Bocabear

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The Disneyland version with it's two drops, Skeleton caves, Blue Bayou prologue all add up to a much more engaging experience... Having grown up going to WDW, I was blown away by my first ride on the Anaheim version... Why didn't they build the same length attraction? And it would have been amazing in the 70s to have had a Blue Bayou type indoor restaurant...or themed more appropriately to Blue Lagoon like the Paris version. The other thing that is not mentioned is the Shanghai has an EXTENSIVE Pirates LAND surrounding the ride...Restaurants, Theater and show, Ships pulled up in a harbor with a coast littered with old shipwrecks... This all adds to the experience. While WDW has more of a Pirates area than Anaheim, it pales in comparison to Shanghai and Paris.
 
orky8

orky8

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eddie104 said:
WDW pirates is literally exactly the same as DL’s with a few missing scenes and features. Also the order in which they occur may be a little different. Other than that this whole debate is completely overblown.

Personally I would love for the Shanghai’s pirates ride system to show up here in a new ride.

In my opinion this a non topic because this isn’t the POTC thread and should be about the upcoming Tron attraction.
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So, not literally exactly the same?
 
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doctornick

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eddie104 said:
WDW pirates is literally exactly the same as DL’s with a few missing scenes and features. Also the order in which they occur may be a little different. Other than that this whole debate is completely overblown.
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While I disagree with your phrasing, I actually tend to agree with your basic point. DL's POTC is certainly superior to MK but the difference is not nearly as big as many people often suggest. The big difference in ride length is mostly filler for DL especially in the beginning of the ride - where MK has the superior queue which serves the role of setting the scene and ambiance that the early part of the ride does in DL. The key scenes of the ride all all present in MK except the shootout as is of course the iconic music.

Blue Bayou is cool that is exists but that really enhances the restaurant experience more than the ride. I never hear anyone talk about how awesome it is that you pass a restaurant when riding Gran Fiesta Tour (for example) because it's a cute quirk when on the ride not some seminal quality.
 
Californian Elitist

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doctornick said:
While I disagree with your phrasing, I actually tend to agree with your basic point. DL's POTC is certainly superior to MK but the difference is not nearly as big as many people often suggest. The big difference in ride length is mostly filler for DL especially in the beginning of the ride - where MK has the superior queue which serves the role of setting the scene and ambiance that the early part of the ride does in DL. The key scenes of the ride all all present in MK except the shootout as is of course the iconic music.

Blue Bayou is cool that is exists but that really enhances the restaurant experience more than the ride. I never hear anyone talk about how awesome it is that you pass a restaurant when riding Gran Fiesta Tour (for example) because it's a cute quirk when on the ride not some seminal quality.
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The extra scenes in DL’s Pirates aren’t “filler.” The cave scenes are there to show the aftermath of piracy: dying with essentially nothing. MK’s queue doesn’t do an equal job of setting up the “prelude.”
 
lazyboy97o

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Californian Elitist said:
The extra scenes in DL’s Pirates aren’t “filler.” The cave scenes are there to show the aftermath of piracy: dying with essentially nothing. MK’s queue doesn’t do an equal job of setting up the “prelude.”
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No, they are filler. It’s filler that turned out really great but those scenes were considered filler. That’s why they were cut from the ride in Florida and elements incorporated into the queue. At the time, the Magic Kingdom ride was not viewed as the shorter version, it was the improved, more focused version that didn’t waste a bunch of time getting to the actual ride.
 
Movielover

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lazyboy97o said:
No, they are filler. It’s filler that turned out really great but those scenes were considered filler. That’s why they were cut from the ride in Florida and elements incorporated into the queue. At the time, the Magic Kingdom ride was not viewed as the shorter version, it was the improved, more focused version that didn’t waste a bunch of time getting to the actual ride.
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Also not having to wrap around a whole restaurant helps, although IMO not having the Blue Bayou takes away some of the great atmosphere of DL.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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lazyboy97o said:
No, they are filler. It’s filler that turned out really great but those scenes were considered filler. That’s why they were cut from the ride in Florida and elements incorporated into the queue. At the time, the Magic Kingdom ride was not viewed as the shorter version, it was the improved, more focused version that didn’t waste a bunch of time getting to the actual ride.
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They’re not filler now. They could have been filled for MK, but they’re not for DL.
 
Disney Analyst

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Californian Elitist said:
They’re not filler now. They could have been filled for MK, but they’re not for DL.
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While that section of the ride really only existed at Disneyland to get you from the park to the show building, I have to agree and argue, they are not filler. It's placemaking, story building, an overture, a mystery. They took something that was necessary, and helped it build the story, the lore. That's something I love about Disneyland in general, they took the space they had, which resulted in very unique ways of creating rides.

That first segment of a quiet star lit bayou, into two drops, and the caverns really was the WOW for me when I first rode. You build into the epic reveal of the pirate ship, and AA filled scenes. Then you add Disneyland has a better ending sequence, and up the waterfall to exit.

Magic Kingdom's version was a bitter disappointment the first time I rode. Yes it's still the general ride, you get the main sequences... but it didn't scratch the POTC itch I had.
 

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