News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[UNCgolf]

Rise capacity vs Cosmic Rewind?
Rise reliability vs Cosmic Rewind?

Wouldn't the obvious answer to both of these lead to making Rise harder to get on?
Aside from the fact you are probably comparing demand to the "top ride" in all of Disney?

Now, if true it was easier to get on than Rat, that would be a little surprising, but you yourself say you aren't positive of that. If true maybe because Rat has the small child audience in the mix, some of which would be excluded from CR?

Not sure, wasn't picking a fight was just curious if you were speculating or had actual evidence.

Definitely regarding Rise being the "top ride", but that's part of my point -- I think Guardians was intended to be at, or at least near, that level. I think Guardians does have higher capacity, though.

I think the bolded is one of the big reasons, which is why I think TRON won't have quite the same level of success as 7DMT. Disney has a different attendance mix than most other parks -- there are more small children, as mentioned, and more people who can't ride coasters or don't want to, because the parks have generally catered to that audience.

Again, though, I'm not suggesting that means Disney shouldn't ever build a coaster. It's just that building two in a row (and opening the more impressive one first) may not be the best strategy.

 

[UNCgolf]

Guardians is a people eater...WAAAY more capacity than Rise or Ratatouille... And probably way more fun too...Remember Fun?...lol

I don't think that's true. I don't know the numbers, but I seem to recall people with knowledge saying here that while the THRC of Guardians is a few hundred more per hour than Rise, that functionally it hasn't been that different (not factoring in reliability issues, of course). Maybe a couple of hundred per hour.

I think Ratatouille either has more than Guardians or is basically the same.

Either way I don't think it counts as WAAAAY more; that would be something like Spaceship Earth compared to Peter Pan where it's 1000+ more per hour.

I am curious, though, if anyone knows the actual numbers for all three rides because I could be wrong/misremembering what's been said.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I don't think that's true. I don't know the numbers, but I seem to recall people with knowledge saying here that while the THRC of Guardians is a few hundred more per hour than Rise, that functionally it hasn't been that different (not factoring in reliability issues, of course). Maybe a couple of hundred per hour.

I think Ratatouille either has more than Guardians or is basically the same.

Either way I don't think it counts as WAAAAY more; that would be something like Spaceship Earth compared to Peter Pan where it's 1000+ more per hour.

I am curious, though, if anyone knows the actual numbers for all three rides because I could be wrong/misremembering what's been said.

I found an article by WDW Magic that based on their timing of train dispatches they put it at 2,500/hour. Saw another one from Touring Plans that based on their observations put it at about 2,000/hour.

I saw Remy's listed at 2,200/hour

so they seem to be similar

Rise is way lower - I saw 1,300-1,700/hour ... So that is definitely part of the demand, plus it averages like 90 mins of downtime a day, way more than Guardians

I do think a higher % of guests are willing to ride Remy than Guardians (no trash cans placed right by the exit of Remy)

 

[matt9112]

"I'd describe it more as light pollution than a feature."? It doesn't sound like a compliment.

he doesn’t need to compliment it if he doesn’t want to? He is simply stating that it appears to effect areas outside of Tomorrowland.

 

[jaxonp]

From what I've see this ride doesn't look like it's that great. It seems very short for the amount of waiting you'll have to do. Kinda like 7 Dwarf's Mine Train.

It’s mediocre. The lighting and seating position are cool but I always find myself ready to get off because it’s sort of uncomfortable being hunched over like that, locked down by a restraint.

 

[jaxonp]

The comparison of SM to Tron is sending me… the only thing they have in common is that they both take place indoor lol. Tron is smooth, twice as fast and short. The seating position is the gimmick and the effects are not revolutionary at this point. The launch isn’t near as strong as RCRC

 

[Thepuma]

The actual data we have available?

Even when it was brand new it wasn't as hard to get on as Rise, and within about a month anyone who had any interest in getting a VQ spot could get one. Same thing with ILLs, which were generally available for at least half the day and sometimes for almost the entire day (this will change when the VQ disappears, though).

I believe, as @bhg469 mentioned above, even Ratatouille was harder to get on via VQ than Guardians, although I'm not positive on that.

This doesn't mean the ride is a failure (it isn't), but it's pretty obviously not driving huge crowds to EPCOT specifically to ride it. I suppose I'm speculating that that was Disney's hope/expectation, but it's not a wild leap when they spent $500 million to build it.

TRON has less capacity so it will likely be harder to ride just for that reason, but it's still unlikely to be quite as successful as 7DMT for multiple reasons. That also doesn't mean TRON will be a failure, though -- feels like people think I'm saying that when I'm not saying (and haven't said) anything remotely similar.

From going on Guardians 8 times in 6 days, I get the feeling Disney are under releasing VQs for this ride...they need to release way more. On the 5 times I've done VQ for this ride, the return times have ended up being 2 hours BEFORE the estimated times. This to me shows its being under numbered. Whereas with Rise the times were either relatively accurate or longer than originally stated.

ILLs for Guardians are definitely easier to get though...three times we have waited for the VQ to come close then booked a ILL so we could go straight back on it after the VQ ride.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Guardians has strong guest ratings but not all will ride due to intensity and the height requirement. It also “suffers” from a high hourly capacity for a coaster. Thank goodness, TRON does not share that ailment.

Wait times should be bonkers for TRON even with many guests excluded for various reasons.

 

[gerarar]

From going on Guardians 8 times in 6 days, I get the feeling Disney are under releasing VQs for this ride...they need to release way more. On the 5 times I've done VQ for this ride, the return times have ended up being 2 hours BEFORE the estimated times. This to me shows its being under numbered. Whereas with Rise the times were either relatively accurate or longer than originally stated.

This is mainly due to the estimated times not taking into account the large influx of BG's (15-21 groups usually) called at once at around 8:10am, and it also doesn't take into account that BG's begin to be called before the official park open time at 9am.

Why this hasn't been fixed or accounted for, who knows..

 

[BigSkinny]

Is there speculation this will open this year? I’ve been checked out of MK rumors for a while, but they for sure would want it open for Christmas

 

[marni1971]

Is there speculation this will open this year? I’ve been checked out of MK rumors for a while, but they for sure would want it open for Christmas

It should be finished well before year end.

 

[dreday3]

It should be finished well before year end.

Does that mean open though?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Does that mean open though?

Who knows when they’ll want a grand opening? At a minimum, targeted soft openings should occur later this fall. If they hold off on a grand opening until January, that’s purely for marketing. If I were betting, though, I’d bet on a 2022 grand opening. They want substantive announcements at D23 this weekend. This is an easy one. Bob can’t stand up and be like, “so, did you like Pinocchio?! Yeah, I’m glad we got Tom Hanks, too, or it would have been a complete waste!”

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is there speculation this will open this year? I’ve been checked out of MK rumors for a while, but they for sure would want it open for Christmas

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[Gran Fiesta]

It should be finished well before year end.

Who knows when they’ll want a grand opening? At a minimum, targeted soft openings should occur later this fall. If they hold off on a grand opening until January, that’s purely for marketing. If I were betting, though, I’d bet on a 2022 grand opening. They want substantive announcements at D23 this weekend. This is an easy one. Bob can’t stand up and be like, “so, did you like Pinocchio?! Yeah, I’m glad we got Tom Hanks, too, or it would have been a complete waste!”

When it opens sometime in November (hopefully) will it be a Virtual Queue? If so does that mean that Guardians will stop being a Virtual Queue since it seems like they only ever want one VQ?

 

[ToTBellHop]

When it opens sometime in November (hopefully) will it be a Virtual Queue? If so does that mean that Guardians will stop being a Virtual Queue since it seems like they only ever want one VQ?

I doubt they will mind 2 rides having VQ. But I’m unaware of a decision.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

When it opens sometime in November (hopefully) will it be a Virtual Queue? If so does that mean that Guardians will stop being a Virtual Queue since it seems like they only ever want one VQ?

I would assume it would have a VQ just like all recent new rides.

As for Guardians, if it follows how long Rat had it's VQ then Guardians would stop theirs shortly anyway. So it might be stopped before or around when Tron opens but I don't think one is continent on the other - they are in separate parks to impacting different guests as far as trying to get one (as need park reservation to try)

 

[UNCgolf]

I would assume it would have a VQ just like all recent new rides.

As for Guardians, if it follows how long Rat had it's VQ then Guardians would stop theirs shortly anyway. So it might be stopped before or around when Tron opens but I don't think one is continent on the other - they are in separate parks to impacting different guests as far as trying to get one (as need park reservation to try)

At this point they probably need to end the Guardians VQ. They're losing out on a bunch of capacity by having the VQ in place, and they're also losing out on ILL sales.

I'm a little surprised they haven't already -- they really should have stopped it a couple of months ago when the 1 PM times were regularly available for over an hour.

 

[dreday3]

At this point they probably need to end the Guardians VQ. They're losing out on a bunch of capacity by having the VQ in place, and they're also losing out on ILL sales.

I'm a little surprised they haven't already -- they really should have stopped it a couple of months ago when the 1 PM times were regularly available for over an hour.

But why drop a virtual queue if it's actually working well? I'd still rather book a time for later if possible (for free) than stand in a stand-by line. They can do both right? I'm sure there's a reason, I just don't know it.

 

[mattpeto]

But why drop a virtual queue if it's actually working well? I'd still rather book a time for later if possible (for free) than stand in a stand-by line. They can do both right? I'm sure there's a reason, I just don't know it.

I'm wondering what they will do with GotG:CR, since the inside queue can only hold 30-40 minutes of standby traffic.

During the previews, the queue was to the left side of the building and it was a pretty bleak look.