bhg469
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Probably the availability times of the virtual queue. They seem to go a lot slower than Rat and Rise did. I'm only guessing though.
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UNCgolf
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The actual data we have available?
Even when it was brand new it wasn't as hard to get on as Rise, and within about a month anyone who had any interest in getting a VQ spot could get one. Same thing with ILLs, which were generally available for at least half the day and sometimes for almost the entire day (this will change when the VQ disappears, though).
I believe, as @bhg469 mentioned above, even Ratatouille was harder to get on via VQ than Guardians, although I'm not positive on that.
This doesn't mean the ride is a failure (it isn't), but it's pretty obviously not driving huge crowds to EPCOT specifically to ride it. I suppose I'm speculating that that was Disney's hope/expectation, but it's not a wild leap when they spent $500 million to build it.
TRON has less capacity so it will likely be harder to ride just for that reason, but it's still unlikely to be quite as successful as 7DMT for multiple reasons. That also doesn't mean TRON will be a failure, though -- feels like people think I'm saying that when I'm not saying (and haven't said) anything remotely similar.
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UNCgolf
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The early morning VQ times went quickly (or used to; they haven't recently) but the 1 PM drop has usually been available for at least an hour.
bhg469
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We have gotten them a few minutes past 7 in the morning. Never got rise that quickly.
gorillaball
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Rise capacity vs Cosmic Rewind?
Rise reliability vs Cosmic Rewind?
Wouldn't the obvious answer to both of these lead to making Rise harder to get on?
Aside from the fact you are probably comparing demand to the "top ride" in all of Disney?
Now, if true it was easier to get on than Rat, that would be a little surprising, but you yourself say you aren't positive of that. If true maybe because Rat has the small child audience in the mix, some of which would be excluded from CR?
Not sure, wasn't picking a fight was just curious if you were speculating or had actual evidence.
UNCgolf
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Definitely regarding Rise being the "top ride", but that's part of my point -- I think Guardians was intended to be at, or at least near, that level. I think Guardians does have higher capacity, though.
I think the bolded is one of the big reasons, which is why I think TRON won't have quite the same level of success as 7DMT. Disney has a different attendance mix than most other parks -- there are more small children, as mentioned, and more people who can't ride coasters or don't want to, because the parks have generally catered to that audience.
Again, though, I'm not suggesting that means Disney shouldn't ever build a coaster. It's just that building two in a row (and opening the more impressive one first) may not be the best strategy.
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UNCgolf
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I don't think that's true. I don't know the numbers, but I seem to recall people with knowledge saying here that while the THRC of Guardians is a few hundred more per hour than Rise, that functionally it hasn't been that different (not factoring in reliability issues, of course). Maybe a couple of hundred per hour.
I think Ratatouille either has more than Guardians or is basically the same.
Either way I don't think it counts as WAAAAY more; that would be something like Spaceship Earth compared to Peter Pan where it's 1000+ more per hour.
I am curious, though, if anyone knows the actual numbers for all three rides because I could be wrong/misremembering what's been said.
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TheMaxRebo
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I found an article by WDW Magic that based on their timing of train dispatches they put it at 2,500/hour. Saw another one from Touring Plans that based on their observations put it at about 2,000/hour.
I saw Remy's listed at 2,200/hour
so they seem to be similar
Rise is way lower - I saw 1,300-1,700/hour ... So that is definitely part of the demand, plus it averages like 90 mins of downtime a day, way more than Guardians
I do think a higher % of guests are willing to ride Remy than Guardians (no trash cans placed right by the exit of Remy)
matt9112
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he doesn’t need to compliment it if he doesn’t want to? He is simply stating that it appears to effect areas outside of Tomorrowland.
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jaxonp
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It’s mediocre. The lighting and seating position are cool but I always find myself ready to get off because it’s sort of uncomfortable being hunched over like that, locked down by a restraint.
jaxonp
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The comparison of SM to Tron is sending me… the only thing they have in common is that they both take place indoor lol. Tron is smooth, twice as fast and short. The seating position is the gimmick and the effects are not revolutionary at this point. The launch isn’t near as strong as RCRC
From going on Guardians 8 times in 6 days, I get the feeling Disney are under releasing VQs for this ride...they need to release way more. On the 5 times I've done VQ for this ride, the return times have ended up being 2 hours BEFORE the estimated times. This to me shows its being under numbered. Whereas with Rise the times were either relatively accurate or longer than originally stated.
ILLs for Guardians are definitely easier to get though...three times we have waited for the VQ to come close then booked a ILL so we could go straight back on it after the VQ ride.
ToTBellHop
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Guardians has strong guest ratings but not all will ride due to intensity and the height requirement. It also “suffers” from a high hourly capacity for a coaster. Thank goodness, TRON does not share that ailment.
Wait times should be bonkers for TRON even with many guests excluded for various reasons.
Wait times should be bonkers for TRON even with many guests excluded for various reasons.
gerarar
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This is mainly due to the estimated times not taking into account the large influx of BG's (15-21 groups usually) called at once at around 8:10am, and it also doesn't take into account that BG's begin to be called before the official park open time at 9am.
Why this hasn't been fixed or accounted for, who knows..
It should be finished well before year end.
ToTBellHop
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Who knows when they’ll want a grand opening? At a minimum, targeted soft openings should occur later this fall. If they hold off on a grand opening until January, that’s purely for marketing. If I were betting, though, I’d bet on a 2022 grand opening. They want substantive announcements at D23 this weekend. This is an easy one. Bob can’t stand up and be like, “so, did you like Pinocchio?! Yeah, I’m glad we got Tom Hanks, too, or it would have been a complete waste!”Does that mean open though?