News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[erasure fan1]

I think they’ll drop ILLs for 7dmt when Tron opens. Just a hunch.

That would make sense. At least for the first 4 to 6 months anyway. Then if demand drops, I can see them switch back to mine train. Now if I was a betting man, I would guess we start seeing them add more rides to the paid system. Especially at magic kingdom. I can easily see them having 3 attractions ILL there.

 

[Ripken10]

I think they’ll drop ILLs for 7dmt when Tron opens. Just a hunch.

I think the other way. I would be highly surprised if they take 7 dwarfs off LL. I think the financials point to keeping both the most lucrative. If it was a different park maybe, but 7 dwarfs is too popular. I think a good chunk of people would buy genie+ and two LL at MK.

 

[DisneyDodo]

Though their initial plan was 2 in each park but they shifted capacity to G+ to add value to that and make it a bit more user friendly.

Of the parks, MK definitely is the one best served to have 2 ILLs as still plenty of G+ attractions ... So, I just don't think we can presume either way

This would definitely be the test case for having 2, so probably baby safe to say if they do movie Mine train to G+ right away then going forward likely is for only one per park no matter what

My feeling is that if they were willing to stick with 2 at MK, they would’ve kept Space as ILL until Tron opened

 

[pdude81]

I think they’ll drop ILLs for 7dmt when Tron opens. Just a hunch.

I disagree but just a hunch on this end too.

 

[pdude81]

My feeling is that if they were willing to stick with 2 at MK, they would’ve kept Space as ILL until Tron opened

It's kind of a joke to put SM as an ILL. It only made sense when they were doing 2 everywhere IMO.

 

[erasure fan1]

It's kind of a joke to put SM as an ILL. It only made sense when they were doing 2 everywhere IMO.

Just pretend you are Mr Krabs, then it will all make sense.

 

[doctornick]

My feeling is that if they were willing to stick with 2 at MK, they would’ve kept Space as ILL until Tron opened

I don’t think it really follows since (1) Tron adds capacity so it doesn’t hurt G+ relative to how it is now while switching Space to G+ improved G+ and (2) 7DMT is still relatively “new” much like RSR at DCA and high demand. I think they’d like to keep 2 ILLs at each park if they can, but they just couldn’t get G+ to work well at other WDW with that because of a lack of capacity.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they had relatively low uptake of ILL for Space and other legacy attractions that have been around. They probably think it isn’t worth it to keep on those rides but Tron/7DMT is a different combo.

I could see it going either way, but I am leaning towards they doing ILL on both at MK.

 

[Bocabear]

That would make sense. At least for the first 4 to 6 months anyway. Then if demand drops, I can see them switch back to mine train. Now if I was a betting man, I would guess we start seeing them add more rides to the paid system. Especially at magic kingdom. I can easily see them having 3 attractions ILL there.

4-6 months? No...the popularity for this attraction will not wane for years... It certainly hasn't for 7 Dwarfs, and that has literally been open for 8 years...Debuted in 2014 and still mobbed everyday. The parks are starving for coasters... Every one of them should be in Lightning Lane...

 

[UNCgolf]

4-6 months? No...the popularity for this attraction will not wane for years... It certainly hasn't for 7 Dwarfs, and that has literally been open for 8 years...Debuted in 2014 and still mobbed everyday. The parks are starving for coasters... Every one of them should be in Lightning Lane...

TRON and Seven Dwarfs aren't really comparable. Seven Dwarfs is a coaster that small kids can ride.

TRON is closer to Guardians, except that it will almost certainly be looked at as a disappointment compared to Guardians -- and it seems like Guardians itself isn't quite as popular as Disney hoped. Coasters like TRON just aren't that big a deal at Disney because a significant portion of guests either can't ride or aren't interested in riding.

 

[DCLcruiser]

TRON and Seven Dwarfs aren't really comparable. Seven Dwarfs is a coaster that small kids can ride.

TRON is closer to Guardians, except that it will almost certainly be looked at as a disappointment compared to Guardians -- and it seems like Guardians itself isn't quite as popular as Disney hoped. Coasters like TRON just aren't that big a deal at Disney because a significant portion of guests either can't ride or aren't interested in riding.

But I am, and that's all that matters.

We need more coasters, bc I want them. EPCOT WS coasters please.

 

[erasure fan1]

4-6 months? No...the popularity for this attraction will not wane for years... It certainly hasn't for 7 Dwarfs, and that has literally been open for 8 years...Debuted in 2014 and still mobbed everyday. The parks are starving for coasters... Every one of them should be in Lightning Lane...

That was more my point with the, if I was a betting man, comment. Because I believe all the big rides will be paid. Disney will wait it out for a while, then start adding ILLs and say guest demand is the reason.

 

[Incomudro]

TRON and Seven Dwarfs aren't really comparable. Seven Dwarfs is a coaster that small kids can ride.

TRON is closer to Guardians, except that it will almost certainly be looked at as a disappointment compared to Guardians -- and it seems like Guardians itself isn't quite as popular as Disney hoped. Coasters like TRON just aren't that big a deal at Disney because a significant portion of guests either can't ride or aren't interested in riding.

There's nothing like Tron at the Magic Kingdom, unless we count Space Mountain - as some do.
But if we do indeed compare it to Space Mountain, then Tron's popularity will be ensured for a long, long time.
There's a shortage of thrill rides in all Disney parks, and there is a more than ample audience for them.

 

[gorillaball]

TRON and Seven Dwarfs aren't really comparable. Seven Dwarfs is a coaster that small kids can ride.

TRON is closer to Guardians, except that it will almost certainly be looked at as a disappointment compared to Guardians -- and it seems like Guardians itself isn't quite as popular as Disney hoped. Coasters like TRON just aren't that big a deal at Disney because a significant portion of guests either can't ride or aren't interested in riding.

You are basing this on...?

 

[bhg469]

You are basing this on...?

Probably the availability times of the virtual queue. They seem to go a lot slower than Rat and Rise did. I'm only guessing though.

 

[UNCgolf]

You are basing this on...?

The actual data we have available?

Even when it was brand new it wasn't as hard to get on as Rise, and within about a month anyone who had any interest in getting a VQ spot could get one. Same thing with ILLs, which were generally available for at least half the day and sometimes for almost the entire day (this will change when the VQ disappears, though).

I believe, as @bhg469 mentioned above, even Ratatouille was harder to get on via VQ than Guardians, although I'm not positive on that.

This doesn't mean the ride is a failure (it isn't), but it's pretty obviously not driving huge crowds to EPCOT specifically to ride it. I suppose I'm speculating that that was Disney's hope/expectation, but it's not a wild leap when they spent $500 million to build it.

TRON has less capacity so it will likely be harder to ride just for that reason, but it's still unlikely to be quite as successful as 7DMT for multiple reasons. That also doesn't mean TRON will be a failure, though -- feels like people think I'm saying that when I'm not saying (and haven't said) anything remotely similar.

 

[Pancho]

I found Guardians just as difficult to get a virtual queue for as rise was. they do go fast. the ILL though, those seem to be much more available than any other so far.

 

[UNCgolf]

I found Guardians just as difficult to get a virtual queue for as rise was. they do go fast. the ILL though, those seem to be much more available than any other so far.

The early morning VQ times went quickly (or used to; they haven't recently) but the 1 PM drop has usually been available for at least an hour.

 

[bhg469]

The early morning VQ times went quickly (or used to; they haven't recently) but the 1 PM drop has usually been available for at least an hour.

We have gotten them a few minutes past 7 in the morning. Never got rise that quickly.

 

[gorillaball]

The actual data we have available?

Even when it was brand new it wasn't as hard to get on as Rise, and within about a month anyone who had any interest in getting a VQ spot could get one. Same thing with ILLs, which were generally available for at least half the day and sometimes for almost the entire day (this will change when the VQ disappears, though).

I believe, as @bhg469 mentioned above, even Ratatouille was harder to get on via VQ than Guardians, although I'm not positive on that.

This doesn't mean the ride is a failure (it isn't), but it's pretty obviously not driving huge crowds to EPCOT specifically to ride it. I suppose I'm speculating that that was Disney's hope/expectation, but it's not a wild leap when they spent $500 million to build it.

TRON has less capacity so it will likely be harder to ride just for that reason, but it's still unlikely to be quite as successful as 7DMT for multiple reasons. That also doesn't mean TRON will be a failure, though -- feels like people think I'm saying that when I'm not saying (and haven't said) anything remotely similar.

Rise capacity vs Cosmic Rewind?
Rise reliability vs Cosmic Rewind?

Wouldn't the obvious answer to both of these lead to making Rise harder to get on?
Aside from the fact you are probably comparing demand to the "top ride" in all of Disney?

Now, if true it was easier to get on than Rat, that would be a little surprising, but you yourself say you aren't positive of that. If true maybe because Rat has the small child audience in the mix, some of which would be excluded from CR?

Not sure, wasn't picking a fight was just curious if you were speculating or had actual evidence.

 

[Bocabear]

Guardians is a people eater...WAAAY more capacity than Rise or Ratatouille... And probably way more fun too...Remember Fun?...lol