Space Mountain is the one that's open.
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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom
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mysto
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As long as Tron abruptly changes direction, clunks, AND shimmies they will be EXACTLY the same. The big loophole strategy for getting your family of 18 onto Tron will be to take them on Space Mountain! Why wait, ride it today!
yensidtlaw1969
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Nobody thinks that they're so similar that anyone would confuse one for the other. It's that, for all their differences, they're not different enough to justify building right next to each other in the same park.
TrainsOfDisney
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It makes very little sense.
While the original new fantasyland proposal was not overly appealing to me, it at least made sense for the park and it’s core demographic.
doctornick
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Except they are very different. One has a lift hill, a (low) sitting position, smaller ride vehicles making tighter turns, and is essentially in the dark. The other is a launch coaster, is partially outside, has significant screen based scenes, and is in a motorbike/straddling position.
They are almost nothing alike other than they are both in the broad category of “roller coasters”.
In the same land, where other attractions are lackluster and dying or completely shuttered.
sedati
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You would have hated Future World at Epcot Center back in the day.
Nope loved it. Already debunked this with a similar attempt at "DL dark ride alley"
EPCOT's Future world had a variety and all contemporary for years before becoming stale.
Where as this is the ONLY new ride in the last ten plus years in a stale land.
Terrible comparison again.
lazyboy97o
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The exercise was literally “How do we do an IP Space Mountain the Chinese will understand?”
sedati
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Did it have variety? Or did it just cover various subjects? Aside from the incredibly similar ride systems all moving at an incredibly similar pace, the general presentations themselves were quite similar:
Opening: Narrated multimedia montage with brief history lesson given at a third-grade level or lower.
Middle: dioramas filled with looping animations both 3-D and 2-D.
Closing: Vague and often trippy montage with a song about the future and children.
Exit: Corporate sponsor reminder.
It would be like having a park with multiple circle-vision theaters and calling it variety because they showed different films (oh yeah, EPCOT Center did that 2.5 times as well.)
No. A variety of impressiveness thru the 80s. In meathods of transport particularly.
Some were similar in Omni sense, but all had their own tricks.
World of Motion had kinetic indoor and outdoor spiral and even on inclines stayed flat.
The experience of Energy was a moving theater with a unique order.
Cabs were simple but a minor part of the seas.
The Land, enough said. Animatronic show, moving boat ride with dark scenes and real agricultural science.
Imagination. Enough said if you are aware of what the system did and it's impact on most. Still impressive to this day if it existed for all it's tricks.
Horizons was suspended and ended with the first omnimax like simulation, that you could choose.
All of this was going on by the way as an entire pavilion of uniqueness Wonders of Life was opening up. Dated.later, but unique variety.
Honestly, even if you found the comparison of dark rides, although unique overkill, there were things added in-between and things to do in the park that seperated them.
40 years of progress should not expect ONLY a coaster, mostly enclosed and lower end elaborate theming next to Space Mountain, in a neglected land.(not to mention the only new ground up addition for that entire park in the upper half of a decade by the time it opens.
Terrible comparison to me based on the evidence I know.
UNCgolf
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That is variety. Otherwise you may as well argue that a history class and a math class are the same thing because they're both in a classroom with someone teaching you something.
Future World at EPCOT had the best attraction variety of any theme park I've ever been to because the content is the most important part of any attraction.
Of course it's all relative -- that prior sentence obviously omits "for me" (although I think that's generally implied on a discussion forum). Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Caribbean have more variety than any two standard (i.e. without any kind of show scenes etc.) roller coasters I've ever been on, but I'm aware that for some people the opposite is true and that's fine. It really just depends on what you want out of an attraction.
Regardless, arguing that omnimovers, boat rides, etc. are all the same because they have the same ride system is nonsensical. It's no different than arguing that every single roller coaster is the same ride.
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MagicHappens1971
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It was also Igers mandate of “Authentically Disney, Distinctly Chinese”. They wanted Shanghai to be full of things you couldn’t find anywhere else, hence their version of pirates, the ginormous castle, etc. Now they’re shoehorning (location wise) Tron into MK bc they’re too cheap and lazy to come up with something new for the most visited theme park in the world.
lazyboy97o
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That was just a lame talking point. The government had seen the crap Disney had pulled with Hong Kong and wasn’t going to be duped like that. They were going to get their own park, not a copy.
TrainsOfDisney
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They’ve got plenty of things they could copy and paste into MK that would be a much better addition!
Beauty and the beast ride.
Journey to the Center of the Earth.
Monsters Hide and Go Seek
Little Mermaid underwater area from Tokyo
Tangled Dark Ride (Tokyo)
Hmm... on second thought who cares, I’m booking a trip to Tokyo ASAP!
MagicHappens1971
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I really need to get to Tokyo!!!
lazyboy97o
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Older work requires more updating and taking from Tokyo is unwise after just getting them to start spending again.
MagicHappens1971
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Sorry to reply back again, but can Disney even clone these rides without OLCs permission? Like I saw someone make a joke about Disney using the Belle animatronic and reskinning for Tiana for the Splash redo. I wonder if they could even do something like that. I know WDI designs everything but if OLC pays for R&D, I wonder if Disney can copy and paste rides and in the same vein AAs and what not from the attractions at TDR
lazyboy97o
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Technically, unless there is a specific exclusivity agreement, Disney is free to clone whatever they want. They retain all ownership of the intellectual property. Doing so would have been unwise because Disney’s relationship with the Oriental Land Company had soured. The Oriental Land Company felt Disney was using their licensing agreements to gouge them and make them fund research and development for the other parks, so turning around and doing just that would not have helped.
MagicHappens1971
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I figured as much but was just curious. Thanks for answering, while I’m sure Disney would like to maintain their relationship. But on the other hand, why would they really care? Disney can end their deal with OLC at anytime (right?) so I feel like they have leverage there. I highly doubt they’d go that route unless something really bad happens but