Trespassing third parties

[TrainsOfDisney]

PROHIBITION ON SOLICITATING ON THE PREMISES. It’s not hard to understand.

Well, nobody in this story was soliciting on the premises so apparently it is hard to understand lol.

 

[asianway]

Actually they can, just like you can from your private home. Provided you aren’t discriminating a protected class and going about this in a legal way (using trespass legal notifications) they absolutely can.

They zapped Sneako & Neon after 45 minutes and while they were certainly acting obnoxious they cited no live-streaming as the reason which comes down to selective enforcement

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Getting to decide who has access is an old, long established principle of private property rights. It’s pretty central to the entire concept.

I know there is some legal reason that the Jehovas Witness can have a table at Downtown Disney because it is “open to the public” - again, I’d love to chat with a lawyer and actually understand all of this.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They zapped Sneako & Neon after 45 minutes and while they were certainly acting obnoxious they cited no live-streaming as the reason which comes down to selective enforcement

Is live streaming not allowed?

 

[JoeCamel]

Is live streaming not allowed?

For gain? Yes
Have you wondered why there is no live cam feed officially? They want to be able to control what is shown in the parks

 

[phillip9698]

Since my home is not a business that is open for the public to enjoy, I can’t see how it’s possibly the same thing.

I’d be interested to talk to a lawyer about this though, sounds like an interesting law and one I don’t necessarily agree with.

Either way, in this case the cause give is “commercial activity” which does set a dangerous standard if they want to go after anyone who profits off a visit to Disney in any way.

Just as a casino can boot and ban anyone from their private business, so can Disney. Just because you have money that doesn’t mean you are privy to enter any place you can afford to frequent. The company doesn’t have to accept your business.

 

[-em]

The girl scouts are outside the store, receive prior permission from the store before setting up their stand, and arent undercutting a product sold inside said store.

As a Girl Scout troop leader whose staring down cookie season- there is a LOT of paperwork involved and a long ‘conduct’ form the troops have to sign and follow or can have severe repercussions.

We wouldn’t dare just setting up a booth on a whim

 

[asianway]

Is live streaming not allowed?

If you’re Sneako apparently, every other YouTuber doesn’t get hassled

 

[Tha Realest]

For gain? Yes
Have you wondered why there is no live cam feed officially? They want to be able to control what is shown in the parks

There’s a ton of streamers that do SuperChats or hawk their products on their websites while live streaming. I hope this puts a stop to this.

 

[Tha Realest]

I know there is some legal reason that the Jehovas Witness can have a table at Downtown Disney because it is “open to the public” - again, I’d love to chat with a lawyer and actually understand all of this.

Freedom of speech permits displays like this in ways that for-profit entities cannot occupy.

 

[JoeCamel]

There’s a ton of streamers that do SuperChats or hawk their products on their websites while live streaming. I hope this puts a stop to this.

Me too, the family from Colorado really doesn't need all that (some bring lights!) in their once in a lifetime deluxe vacay to sunny Florida

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Streamers have always been chill and respectful from what I’ve seen. I’m not sure why they get so much hate.

 

[Lirael]

Tour groups are annoying for the guests, but as far as Disney is concerned, those are bringing in crowds of people that likely wouldn't have gone to the parks otherwise, and aren't abusing any system

Meanwhile people with personal guides were likely going to go to disney even without them, and maybe some would've bought the expensive Disney official guides eventually. Add to that the abuse of DAS... Disney has no reason to be careful with the fallout from the DAS abuse, they don't really lose anything by ending the practice.

And it's likely easier to implement a blanket prohibition over determining a detailed, case-by-case, plan to verify the validity of DAS per person/party

 

[Splash4eva]

Tour groups are annoying for the guests, but as far as Disney is concerned, those are bringing in crowds of people that likely wouldn't have gone to the parks otherwise, and aren't abusing any system

Meanwhile people with personal guides were likely going to go to disney even without them, and maybe some would've bought the expensive Disney official guides eventually. Add to that the abuse of DAS... Disney has no reason to be careful with the fallout from the DAS abuse, they don't really lose anything by ending the practice.

And it's likely easier to implement a blanket prohibition over determining a detailed, case-by-case, plan to verify the validity of DAS per person/party

If these “tour guides” are using DAS honestly there is no need to trespass them imo. All they need to do is basically update a policy preventing you from basically changing your family/friends group constantly

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Tour groups are annoying for the guests, but as far as Disney is concerned, those are bringing in crowds of people that likely wouldn't have gone to the parks otherwise, and aren't abusing any system

That’s a good point, tour guides accompany tour groups all the time - aren’t they “conducting commercial activity”?

And most of them got their groups a special “group rate” too! Oh the humanity!

 

[wdisney9000]

Why bother? Some years ago a girl scout with her father pushed her wheel cart up and down the public sidewalk outside a weed store in San Diego. The girl sold her whole stash of GS cookies to customers standing in line to buy product in the store.

Good for that girl! Smart move!

I recall growing up and participating in fund raisers for sports or school and we went door to door to sell the products while our parents waited in the driveway. It was a great way to build confidence, learn about sales, meet people in the community/neighborhood, etc. We would explain what we were selling, what it was for and why we were trying to raise money.

Nowadays it's just kids standing outside a grocery store asking if you want to buy something and if you say no, they ask if you'd like to just make a donation. No sales pitch or explanation. Just "would you like to buy some popcorn" (or whatever they're selling).

In our town, the parents and kids stand at the 4 way stop and have signs asking for donations for their baseball teams. Theyre not selling anything. Just asking for money. Whats funny is that the moms are decked out in Lululemon and the dads have the $125 ON sneakers and you can see the brand new SUVs parked off to the side. Maybe mom could not buy that 9th pair of $100 yoga pants and use it for the baseball team?

 

[Lirael]

That’s a good point, tour guides accompany tour groups all the time - aren’t they “conducting commercial activity”?

And most of them got their groups a special “group rate” too! Oh the humanity!

That depends actually. A lot of tour groups don't have guides that, well, guide them inside the parks. The guides help bring them to the parks, get in, set the exit time and location and let people go to whichever rides they wish.

Regardless, they are known to disney and disney approved of their activity. As you said, most even got a group rate.

 

[Touchdown]

Groups usually purchase group packages from Disney, also your group leaders have no additional perks given to them, quite the contrary they have additional responsibilities (they will have to deal with any misconduct by their group) it’s quite different.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I just realized…. Is this why we don’t see Gwano Joe at Flights of Wonder anymore!?!??? Haha.

I can hear him now “officer you are making a mistake, I have FOB!!!! It’s a serious condition!” Lol

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

As I read it:
1. They violated entry/ticket provisions
2. There using the old it’s your fault because you never said stop routine
3. Disney owes them something for their poorly managed business risk of a single point of failure.

I don’t want to see anyone loose their job and I’m sure a good percent are hardworking people following their Disney dreams but I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who built a business on this much shakey ground.