Ricky Spanish
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Just as long as Disney doesn’t go after me for selling water and Coca Cola out of my Cooler backpack ![Face with tears of joy :joy: 😂](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/7.0/png/unicode/64/1f602.png)
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I have DAS and when you check in the FP lane the user needs ri go first before anyone taps in plus the CM needs to “approve it” 1st. I can probably count on 1 hand how many times ive seen other DAS users when checking into a ride. Granted its a small sample but you would get an idea if it was widely used etc and from my years of using it. I dont see any real abuse what so ever that people claim it is causing these lines on the FP side.I’m wildly skeptical that enough guests are using DAS to significantly back-up lightning lanes. What proportion of guests each day use DAS?
The ones who wear the same color t-shirts that signify their tour group name , country and mickey ears design? Did TWDC corporate buy off on that ?No one else has brought it up, but what about tour groups from Brazil?
Yes but TP does their commerce off site, which is a form of free speech. The tour guides are doing their commerce on Disney’s property. It’s like someone walking into Walmart and opening a stand to sell food. TP is out on the street in a public space selling their wares.Touring Plans and a bunch of other sites benefit from Disney's difficult planning, which leads me to believe the article is missing a crucial detail or two.
Do we already have a thread on this? See the article here.
I can see both sides though. But enforcement can't just be so arbitrary all of a sudden, can it? Does this indicate something happened that they've now categorized the risk? Or is TDO gonna try and compete in this space?
The Girl Scouts do it at Wally........Yes but TP does their commerce off site, which is a form of free speech. The tour guides are doing their commerce on Disney’s property. It’s like someone walking into Walmart and opening a stand to sell food. TP is out on the street in a public space selling their wares.
Didn't know they were claiming skip-the-lines access, that's understandable. The way the article was written suggested it was more of a literal "all-knowledgeable" guide that just happened to physically assist/guide you through the parks.It’s different because clients are paying their guides around $150-$200 an hour. By their own admission they’re undercutting Disney’s VIP Tours. And in some cases blatantly claiming on websites that they can skip lines etc.
It is not at all the same as publishing an Unofficial Guide to WDW each year and providing the option to create a personalised touring plan for around $20 a year.
Disney have obviously decided they don’t want people profiting by offering guided tours at a quarter of the cost of their own official guides and have taken action. They must have identified companies they are targeting if they are pulling people out of line to trespass them, they obviously know the guides - suggesting they’ve been gathering information for a while now. Whether or not these guides have abused thenDAS system before or made false claims about what they can do, I don’t know. But they’re still profiting by acting as guides.
That's what is throwing me off about this entire thing. I get wanting to prevent DAS abuse, but the way some folks were referenced in the article just suggested they were full trip planners who planned everything for a family so they didn't need to spend hours on research.I actually know Ramon who was quoted in the article. He would never do anything like abuse DAS or anything similar. He is more of a trip planner type of guide for wealthy clients who are clueless in the ways of WDW.
The Girl Scouts do it at Wally........
Didn't know they were claiming skip-the-lines access, that's understandable. The way the article was written suggested it was more of a literal "all-knowledgeable" guide that just happened to physically assist/guide you through the parks.
That's what is throwing me off about this entire thing. I get wanting to prevent DAS abuse, but the way some folks were referenced in the article just suggested they were full trip planners who planned everything for a family so they didn't need to spend hours on research.
It’s different because clients are paying their guides around $150-$200 an hour. By their own admission they’re undercutting Disney’s VIP Tours. And in some cases blatantly claiming on websites that they can skip lines etc.
It is not at all the same as publishing an Unofficial Guide to WDW each year and providing the option to create a personalised touring plan for around $20 a year.
Disney have obviously decided they don’t want people profiting by offering guided tours at a quarter of the cost of their own official guides and have taken action. They must have identified companies they are targeting if they are pulling people out of line to trespass them, they obviously know the guides - suggesting they’ve been gathering information for a while now. Whether or not these guides have abused thenDAS system before or made false claims about what they can do, I don’t know. But they’re still profiting by acting as guides.
I’m pretty sure Disney can’t just ask someone to leave for no reason. The “commercial activity” thing is a bit of a stretch - they could trespass Tom Bricker for that if they wanted to.It’s private property, not a public park. Just as you can ask someone to leave your home at any point, Disney can ask someone to leave if they see fit.
I’m guessing it’s b - and yes it’s quite concerning.(b) Disney has no one intelligent or caring enough to have crafted policy and procedures so it would have been handled better.
Actually they can, just like you can from your private home. Provided you aren’t discriminating a protected class and going about this in a legal way (using trespass legal notifications) they absolutely can.I’m pretty sure Disney can’t just ask someone to leave for no reason. The “commercial activity” thing is a bit of a stretch - they could trespass Tom Bricker for that if they wanted to.
Since my home is not a business that is open for the public to enjoy, I can’t see how it’s possibly the same thing.Actually they can, just like you can from your private home. Provided you aren’t discriminating a protected class and going about this in a legal way (using trespass legal notifications) they absolutely can.
The public is not free to enjoy, it’s gated and Disney chooses who they let in. Disney sets conditions for admission like dress codes, cost, and a PROHIBITION ON SOLICITATING ON THE PREMISES. It’s not hard to understand.Since my home is not a business that is open for the public to enjoy, I can’t see how it’s possibly the same thing.
I’d be interested to talk to a lawyer about this though, sounds like an interesting law and one I don’t necessarily agree with.
Either way, in this case the cause give is “commercial activity” which does set a dangerous standard if they want to go after anyone who profits off a visit to Disney in any way.
Getting to decide who has access is an old, long established principle of private property rights. It’s pretty central to the entire concept.I’m pretty sure Disney can’t just ask someone to leave for no reason.
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