trams from the parking lots

[mergatroid]

Most of what you just discussed has already been replied to (sounds more blunt than I meant It to be).

That's odd as you just said my explanation was the only logical explanation you'd heard, but that it could easily be overcome without saying how? Now 'it's already been discussed', I'm confused?

 

[WondersOfLife]

That's odd as you just said my explanation was the only logical explanation you'd heard, but that it could easily be overcome without saying how? Now 'it's already been discussed', I'm confused?

I’m losing track of who I’m replying to. This thread is very jumpy between conversations.

It’s the only logical explanation I’ve heard.

But the logic still falls flat because, as others have stated, the busses are similar and technically a lot less safe than the trams, and nobody is being temp checked for those.

Either way it’s all just a cycle of what people believe disney did and didn’t do for whatever reason. I stand on the budget cut side of things, not the safety side of things.

 

[peter11435]

I'm struggling to see how people waiting to board a tram is any different than people waiting to board a Disney bus or any other form of transportation. Put up a queue with markers etc.

Therein lies one of the two problems preventing tram operation. Buses have bus stops where queue and or distancing markers can be set up. Trams do not have this luxury.

 

[peter11435]

Either way it’s all just a cycle of what people believe disney did and didn’t do for whatever reason. I stand on the budget cut side of things, not the safety side of things.

It’s not safety. And this isn’t what I “believe.”

 

[Polite]

It’s safety. And this isn’t what I “believe.”

Markers could easily be set up, as the entire parking lot isn't being utilized right now. It's budget savings camouflaged as safety. As the CDC put it, a lot of this is "theater" and the illusion of safety anyways.

 

[peter11435]

Markers could easily be set up, as the entire parking lot isn't being utilized right now. It's budget savings camouflaged as safety. As the CDC put it, a lot of this is "theater" and the illusion of safety anyways.

Wrong. Budget was not part of the original discussion to delay bringing back the trams.

how would you set out markers? Every six feet along the entire tram route? It’s not nearly as easy as you make it sound. And even if it was done, that only solved one of the issues preventing their return. And no budget and staffing are not the other one

 

[WondersOfLife]

It’s safety. And this isn’t what I “believe.”

It's not safety.

See? I'm not convincing you either.

 

[Polite]

Wrong. Budget was not part of the original discussion to delay bringing back the trams.

how would you set out markers? Every six feet along the entire tram route? It’s not nearly as easy as you make it sound. And even if it was done, that only solved one of the issues preventing their return. And no budget and staffing are not the other one

This simply isn't factually correct. If you read through the transcripts for the last 2 earning calls, Disney has been actively working to manage their cost side based on capacity to keep a positive net. Safety is a good cover here and is part of the equation; however, this was identified as a good cost saving measure too.

 

[celluloid]

Wrong. Budget was not part of the original discussion to delay bringing back the trams.
how would you set out markers? Every six feet along the entire tram route? It’s not nearly as easy as you make it sound. And even if it was done, that only solved one of the issues preventing their return. And no budget and staffing are not the other one

If Disney is running and operating trams in their typical or anywhere close to decent manner, no one should be waiting ten minutes for the next parking tram. Exposure is very minimal compared to all of the other outdoor and indoor things that have operated with less precautions. Markers would be self explanatory. The monorail groupings are not exactly six feet out between parties. Have you ridden the monorail to see? five to eight families/parties spaced out and waiting are not going to pose more of a risk.

Let me put it another way. Do you know where the workforce behind those teams are? Most of them are non existent because the majority is College Program based, and many managers ended up unemployed.

 

[peter11435]

This simply isn't factually correct. If you read through the transcripts for the last 2 earning calls, Disney has been actively working to manage their cost side based on capacity to keep a positive net. Safety is a good cover here and is part of the equation; however, this was identified as a good cost saving measure too.

No. It wasn’t. The cost savings is appreciated, but it was not the catalyst.

 

[peter11435]

If Disney is running and operating trams in their typical or anywhere close to decent manner, no one should be waiting ten minutes for the next parking tram. Exposure is very minimal compared to all of the other outdoor and indoor things that have operated with less precautions. Markers would be self explanatory. The monorail groupings are not exactly six feet out between parties. Have you ridden the monorail to see? five to eight families/parties spaced out and waiting are not going to pose more of a risk.

Let me put it another way. Do you know where the workforce behind those teams are? Most of them are non existent because the majority is College Program based, and many managers ended up unemployed.

There are markers when waiting for the monorail. They are 6 or more feet apart. Markers for guests waiting for the tram would be nearly impossible. And even if implemented would only solve half the problem.

Yes the parking teams lost lots of cast due to CP’s being cut. But so did every other operating area on property. Staffing is not the issue they remain down. There are still managers for the parking lot team that would be the same managers overseeing tram operations.

 

[CntrlFlPete]

I thought the reason there is no trams running right now was because of the temperature check tents. At MK the tent is in the tram lane.

It’s the only logical explanation I’ve heard.

But the logic still falls flat because, as others have stated, the busses are similar and technically a lot less safe than the trams, and nobody is being temp checked for those.

The one I quoted above yours makes the most sense to me as it would be hard as heck to run the trams (besides the lack of a college program as a pool of employees)

 

[UNCgolf]

Therein lies one of the two problems preventing tram operation. Buses have bus stops where queue and or distancing markers can be set up. Trams do not have this luxury.

That was kind of my point, though -- it seems like they'd be able to set up a few designated tram spots in the parking lots and have them function the same as a bus stop. Although I suppose that could mess up the operations of the parking lot itself. I don't think it's really a big deal to not have them, at least not right now. It might be in July/August.

If they really wanted to have them, I'm sure they could make it work. That doesn't mean it's worth doing whatever it would take to make them work, though.

What's the other thing that's stopping them?

 

[WondersOfLife]

The one I quoted above yours makes the most sense to me as it would be hard as heck to run the trams (besides the lack of a college program as a pool of employees)

I mean... They can move the tents. Literally everything can be adjusted, thought out, and changed. It's not too incredibly hard to just, ya know, shake things up a bit... Re-route the system.

Also,

But the logic still falls flat because, as others have stated, the busses are similar and technically a lot less safe than the trams, and nobody is being temp checked for those.

 

[eliza61nyc]

That 15 minute walk is absolutely gruesome in the August heat after spending an entire day at Magic Kingdom. - And I'm 22 in physically good health.

Absolutely the worst experience I ever had at WDW, to be honest. I can't imagine what it's like for those who walk slow, have bad knees, or a disability... Pushing a wheelchair, ect. It's probably not that bad when the weather is fine but good god try it out in August.

I'd assume that those folks wouldn't need a tram as they would get dropped off at front gate or park in the handicap section.

That's what we do when we travel with my mil who is in a wheelchair and what I did when I was on crutches after having my knee replacement ( and I didn't have the common sense that God gave a knat to cancel)

 

[WondersOfLife]

I'd assume that those folks wouldn't need a tram as they would get dropped off at front gate or park in the handicap section.

That's what we do when we travel with my mil who is in a wheelchair and what I did when I was on crutches after having my knee replacement ( and I didn't have the common sense that God gave a knat to cancel)

Fair enough.

Now the view shifts to a family with 2 to 5 children... Or just exhaustion at the end of a park day (in August, in particular) in general.

 

[eliza61nyc]

Except it is the real reason.

And you know this how?? Not kidding, I've always wondered how soany folks here know exactly what is going on with the decision making process. Was there an announcement saying they laid off all the tram operators?

 

[eliza61nyc]

Fair enough.

Now the view shifts to a family with 2 to 5 children... Or just exhaustion at the end of a park day (in August, in particular) in general.

Question
Did the mouse people announce they were ending tram operations?
They announced the end of magic express.

Was this a one time experience?

 

[Lilofan]

And you know this how?? Not kidding, I've always wondered how soany folks here know exactly what is going on with the decision making process. Was there an announcement saying they laid off all the tram operators?

No but it is common knowledge that the Minnie van drivers were laid off.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

All of that is true for the bus service as well, which is why it was my comparison. You're not in the park and there's not usually any staff at the bus stops at the resorts or outside of the parks, although there could be right now during COVID.

Ye but the bus driver is in control of how many board it. Honestly I can't remember the time I rode one of the trams but I'd memory serves it stops and people start boarding it, is there a line or do you just find a spot?