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[WDWTank]

I sure hope so... When I was there a while ago Tomorrowland was a train wreck. Crappy Incredibles banners everywhere, big stupid stage blasting music while I was trying to enjoy CoP, and worst of all, the traditional Tomorrowland loop was gone.

Yeah I hated that. I went around my birthday and TOMORROWLAND basically became Incredibles Land. Lame.

 

[azox]

There also a few more walls up in Tomorrowland

I am trying to recall what was in front of astroblasters that needed to be walled off? Was there any structure there?

 

[Goofnut1980]

Why does the future have to be all silver and metal.. Why cant it look neat and clean without all of the metal surfaces?

 

[Corgi]

Question: why did they even decide to put he Incredibles in tomorrowland? How do modern-day superheroes belong in a world themed around being futuristic?

 

[wdwperry]

Question: why did they even decide to put he Incredibles in tomorrowland? How do modern-day superheroes belong in a world themed around being futuristic?

They had a movie to promote and since Tomorrowland already has 2 Pixar IPs that domt neccesarily fit in, they said screw it. Thats an educated guess.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

Question: why did they even decide to put he Incredibles in tomorrowland? How do modern-day superheroes belong in a world themed around being futuristic?

Because they'd look silly in Frontierland.

In all honesty, they likely wanted a draw/event for the summer, especially in aging tomorrowland. AK has Pandora, Epcot had Guardians, DHS has TSL. A quick, dirty overlay for a season to match with a new movie in a park which wouldn't have received any press otherwise is a simple solution.

 

[Incomudro]

That is the one thing a lot of the early Disney attractions did best...Made you feel hopeful and optimistic... Space Mountain did indeed make you feel excited about what was to come with modern technology in our lives... Not sure why those messages have all been lost...

Well, those ideas are lost on the public in general because reality set in.
In the 60's and 70's we dreamt about what living in space might be like, colonizing other planets, the moon...
Now we know that those things will never really happen.

 

[Incomudro]

I think that you have a point, but it really depends on how you handle the "future" part. You don't want to be overly-specific because, as you said, that information becomes outdated. Broad ideas are safer. Anything dealing with speculation, though, definitely requires the will and means to update after a few years. Disney could have done it with Epcot, but they didn't, because they were relying on the outdated model of having companies pick up the cost instead of reinvesting profits into the parks. With the Eisner era, the focus changed from "we're doing it because it's important and cool" to "don't do it if you can't make money off of it." The attractions were left to stagnate for too long, so one-by-one they've been demolished. I'm honestly shocked that Living with the Land still exists except that they don't really have anything to put in there as a replacement. Spaceship Earth is only still around because it would cost a fortune to gut and the building was purposely constructed with the attraction in mind. It's easier for them to leave it and say, "Hey! See? We love Epcot's past!"

Good points.
Also, Living with the Land, and Spaceship Earth's messages don't really get dated.

 

[smile]

Question: why did they even decide to put he Incredibles in tomorrowland? How do modern-day superheroes belong in a world themed around being futuristic?

as much as we may all wish this was divine inspiration, it was, in fact, the new movie that dictated they had to be featured somewhere...
considering the guardians had already booked the agt, tland was the next best thing, right?

such methods tend to invalidate questions such as this because any and all reasoning becomes plausible in service of supporting corporate synergy.

nothing particularly new, but what is/will be exacerbated in the parks, experiences, and consumer products era, is the creeping stink that parks are to serve largely as a marketing apparatus -
walt considered it one aspect of many, as all divisions were to feed in and out of each other, and in organic ways - but he's just an artifact from a bygone era at this point

ip's also carry with them additional assumed ROI, which never hurts... but is it fact? certainly not always, but don't bother telling the brass.

so, while attempts are still made to 'legitimize' some decisions in the minds of those who may take issue, such care is not universal -
anything can be sold as magic, so the question then turns to if guests are buying it (or, if they still show and don't complain... same difference)

 

[atjimfromdisney]

as much as we may all wish this was divine inspiration, it was, in fact, the new movie that dictated they had to be featured somewhere...
considering the guardians had already booked the agt, tland was the next best thing, right?

such methods tend to invalidate questions such as this because any and all reasoning becomes plausible in service of supporting corporate synergy.

nothing particularly new, but what is/will be exacerbated in the parks, experiences, and consumer products era, is the creeping stink that parks are to serve largely as a marketing apparatus -
walt considered it one aspect of many, as all divisions were to feed in and out of each other, and in organic ways - but he's just an artifact from a bygone era at this point

ip's also carry with them additional assumed ROI, which never hurts... but is it fact? certainly not always, but don't bother telling the brass.

so, while attempts are still made to 'legitimize' some decisions in the minds of those who may take issue, such care is not universal -
anything can be sold as magic, so the question then turns to if guests are buying it (or, if they still show and don't complain... same difference)

exactly why we have a Christmas day parade (if you even consider it a parade anymore?) "marketing" special on ABC every year now.

 

[larryz]

Meh. It should be treated the same way Hong Kong and Tokyo treated theirs. Go karts are a dime a dozen and nothing is really special about the ones at Disney compared to others.

Actually, they
a) have bodies, and
b) are included in the admission cost

Well, those ideas are lost on the public in general because reality set in.
In the 60's and 70's we dreamt about what living in space might be like, colonizing other planets, the moon...
Now we know that those things will never really happen.

Not if we wait for the government to do it. Aliens and Outland were more prescient than we realized at the time.

 

[geekza]

exactly why we have a Christmas day parade (if you even consider it a parade anymore?) "marketing" special on ABC every year now.

To be fair, the only reason Walt ever got into television was to promote Disneyland and have ABC pay for a chunk of its construction. It was only because he was Walt Disney and insisted on also making that TV show an entertaining and, often, informative one that it holds up today. It's primary function was as promotion.

 

[KBLovedDisney]

To be fair, the only reason Walt ever got into television was to promote Disneyland and have ABC pay for a chunk of its construction. It was only because he was Walt Disney and insisted on also making that TV show an entertaining and, often, informative one that it holds up today. It's primary function was as promotion.

Sounds like what Macy's does for their parade. Doesn't it all just promote business?

 

[geekza]

Sounds like what Macy's does for their parade. Doesn't it all just promote business?

Yeah, it was always promotion for Macy's, but over the years it has gotten worse. Once they figured out that it was a huge opportunity to sell ad space, every float and balloon became about selling something, whether it be a toy, upcoming movie, or the "stars" of whatever shows are currently airing on NBC. They throw in some high school bands, but it costs an absolute fortune for those kids to get there and they barely give them any screen time. I was in a band that marched in the parade back in 1987 (I'm old) and, then, we had 60 seconds to get on, play a song, and get off. Now, it's even less. Don't get me wrong, it was an unbelievable and unique experience for 180 kids from rural WV, but we paid through the nose to go. I still watch the parade for the numbers from the Broadway shows, mostly because I know I'll never be able to afford to see them, but I usually zone out and do something else when everything else is going on.

 

[WDWTank]

Because they'd look silly in Frontierland.

In all honesty, they likely wanted a draw/event for the summer, especially in aging tomorrowland. AK has Pandora, Epcot had Guardians, DHS has TSL. A quick, dirty overlay for a season to match with a new movie in a park which wouldn't have received any press otherwise is a simple solution.

Aging Tomorrowland?

 

[WDWTank]

as much as we may all wish this was divine inspiration, it was, in fact, the new movie that dictated they had to be featured somewhere...
considering the guardians had already booked the agt, tland was the next best thing, right?

such methods tend to invalidate questions such as this because any and all reasoning becomes plausible in service of supporting corporate synergy.

nothing particularly new, but what is/will be exacerbated in the parks, experiences, and consumer products era, is the creeping stink that parks are to serve largely as a marketing apparatus -
walt considered it one aspect of many, as all divisions were to feed in and out of each other, and in organic ways - but he's just an artifact from a bygone era at this point

ip's also carry with them additional assumed ROI, which never hurts... but is it fact? certainly not always, but don't bother telling the brass.

so, while attempts are still made to 'legitimize' some decisions in the minds of those who may take issue, such care is not universal -
anything can be sold as magic, so the question then turns to if guests are buying it (or, if they still show and don't complain... same difference)

Sometimes ROI for IP’s dwindle after a certain period of time..

 

[geekza]

Sometimes ROI for IP’s dwindle after a certain period of time..

So that means no Home on the Range ride? I mean, it was a beloved classic featuring Roseanne Barr!

 

[trainplane3]

So are we sure that dome thing is going away for good or will it receive a refurb to fit in with New "old" Tomorrowland? Just asking since I'm looking forward to it getting removed if that is the case.

 

[THE Monorail Lime]

What if they divide Tomorrowland in to eras?

-Keep but update space mountain to coincide with TRON and redo the speedway and make it a future like area

-Astro Orbiter, people mover and Buzz Would be retooled to fit with a retro future theme.

 

[geekza]

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