Yeah, it is not the most thrilling layout. If this sticks, it will be interesting to see what happens 10-20 years from now.
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matt9112
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redo entire gateway demo that large gift shop and admittingly probably shorten ride length a smidge and fit it there sink it down a bit so total building height isn't giant and Maybe a much more open Disneyland style entry onto boats so it blends with epcot better. wrap pathways further to right and left on each side. (current "bridge" to gateway (the one with the splash pad) would be completely changed and all foot traffic would go down a revised and wider walk way toward oddesy and again a modified much wider green space path on the right flank. as posted before build really nice grand stands into rear on the water front. fastpass that section out. upcharge the first few rows. (take notes disney)
trainplane3
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That was literally a test layout at their manufacturing plant. It's just supposed to show the proof of concept.
Here's the first single bar layout we'll see from them next year:
Exactly.
Going off what they've done in 7 years with their coaster overhauls, they have a lot of promise.
2011:
2018:
Their layouts are getting longer and wilder as time goes on.
Their original from the ground up designs are great too:
RSoxNo1
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I'd vote for the Tower of Four Winds personally.
JediMasterMatt
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RMC's built from scratch steel models are based on the soon to exist Raptor line and the not yet purchased/announced T-Rex line. Both use the same track shape (T-rail box beam). Raptor is the smaller scale/gauge and T-Rex is the big brother. Raptor is designed around single row seating and T-Rex is for traditional sized chassis. Capacity is only a concern with the Raptor due to the single row seating combined with the announced designs not having many block breaks in them.
The T-rail box beam's concept is designed to have some advantages over other steel coaster concepts:
- fewer overall welds using long continuous joints instead of many smaller welds means less to inspect/maintain
- the rail can span long distances without support which means it can be placed in and around locations that may not be able to accommodate traditional support due to the environment (buildings/terrain/soil conditions).
And as a bonus, you get Alan Shilke's crazy ride profiles.
The last item is why it would be very unlikely Disney would work with RMC. Shilke would have to very restrained in design and that would hard for him to do.
But yes... gutting MK's Space and using all of that volume in the dome would be fantastic. I'd love to see a linear induction based coaster that doesn't have any lift hills and relies exclusively on launches over parabolic hills in the darkness with a Michael Giachinno soundtrack.
Instead we'll be luck if we get a simple refurb.
The T-rail box beam's concept is designed to have some advantages over other steel coaster concepts:
- fewer overall welds using long continuous joints instead of many smaller welds means less to inspect/maintain
- the rail can span long distances without support which means it can be placed in and around locations that may not be able to accommodate traditional support due to the environment (buildings/terrain/soil conditions).
And as a bonus, you get Alan Shilke's crazy ride profiles.
The last item is why it would be very unlikely Disney would work with RMC. Shilke would have to very restrained in design and that would hard for him to do.
But yes... gutting MK's Space and using all of that volume in the dome would be fantastic. I'd love to see a linear induction based coaster that doesn't have any lift hills and relies exclusively on launches over parabolic hills in the darkness with a Michael Giachinno soundtrack.
Instead we'll be luck if we get a simple refurb.
trainplane3
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T-Rex was announced like 2-ish years ago but of course, only in concept. This would be interesting to see in person. I could see Six Flags getting one of these before a Cedar Fair park personally. Then once the quirks are worked out, CF would buy one.
This was shown off at IAAPA 2015:
And agreed with Shilke. I don't think he'd want to design for Disney since he's all about rolls, forces, and completely awkward turns. Look at the above video. I don't think Disney would want some wacky, inverting, 90+ degree drop, dual launched, constantly rolling monster in any of their parks. Something slightly more family friendly (in line with RnRC/DLP SM/CS)? For sure.
MerlinTheGoat
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I don't know what areas are technically possible either, but i'm partial to the International Gateway area myself. Something similar to this-
From my admittedly very rough calculations, I measured this mockup to be approximately the same size as the show building for Disneyland Paris' version of It's a Small World. I'm not sure if this would fit properly here, but it's just a basic idea.
I'm already partial to Paris' version of IASW in general and would like to see it used as a template if it were to be built in this area (the facade from the original World's Fair version would work better nearer Future World though). The Paris interior has a mixture of similar scenes but also some unique ones. It also feels like the space is better filled out, seeming to do a better job at disguising the ceiling in some scenes as well. The loading area is also outdoors like at Disneyland, but covered for weather reasons. It's an elegant canopy adorned with antique looking trim lighting (much like many of the classical early 1900s buildings seen in Disney parks, including the World Showcase pavilions). The facade is similar to DL, but more colorful and (IMHO and no offense to the also lovely Disneyland original) much more elegant and beautiful.
willtravel
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^^^^ Is this real? Kinda looks like a paint by number to me...
Little too busy for my taste.
Little too busy for my taste.
FigmentForver96
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Very real. Just another reason why Disneyland Paris is the most beautiful of the castle parks.
EricsBiscuit
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It's never gonna happenI don't know what areas are technically possible either, but i'm partial to the International Gateway area myself. Something similar to this-
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From my admittedly very rough calculations, I measured this mockup to be approximately the same size as the show building for Disneyland Paris' version of It's a Small World. I'm not sure if this would fit properly here, but it's just a basic idea.
I'm already partial to Paris' version of IASW in general and would like to see it used as a template if it were to be built in this area (the facade from the original World's Fair version would work better nearer Future World though). The Paris interior has a mixture of similar scenes but also some unique ones. It also feels like the space is better filled out, seeming to do a better job at disguising the ceiling in some scenes as well. The loading area is also outdoors like at Disneyland, but covered for weather reasons. It's an elegant canopy adorned with antique looking trim lighting (much like many of the classical early 1900s buildings seen in Disney parks, including the World Showcase pavilions). The facade is similar to DL, but more colorful and (IMHO and no offense to the also lovely Disneyland original) much more elegant and beautiful.
Kman101
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Nope. It won't. But I'm a fan of it moving to Epcot and in the exact spot Merlin has it. And I'm a fan of moving Carousel of Progress there. But, no, it won't happen.
cjkeating
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The image is potentially a touch over processed or does just about look like that in those exact weather/sunlight conditions.
Despite the sun, rain or snow at DLP the current colour scheme looks great in person.
RSoxNo1
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Yeah, that's an HDR photo so those colors are a bit brighter than reality.
willtravel
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Just kinda reminds me of this. But to each his own.
EricsBiscuit
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TheOrangeBird01
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I don’t care what anyone says, I’m still a fan of the castle cake.
I always was and always will be.
I always was and always will be.
EricsBiscuit
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Little me loved it too. Now big me thinks it ruined the forced perspective.
Absimilliard
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The major strike against any RMC at Disney are the restraints. Capacity on the ones with lap bars at Six Flags is terrible not because of bad operators; blame instead the insane number of restraint rechecks. Every train has the console operator calling out at least a seat and then the ride operators have to go there and push the lap bar until it trips the position sensor. One insane factor too: the test seat may say something up front, but row 9 left seat sensor may only allow small kids to ride while row 9 right seat? A large person will have room! Six Flags Mexico has smaller guests on average and the ride operators were able to get the trains out with no stacking on the Medusa Steel Coaster. Stacking means the train on the track does not have to wait at the end for the one in the station to be dispatched. Stacking on Big Thunder Mountain will get you a nice breakdown and the same will happen from time to time on Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris.
On the Raptor, they are moving away from the lap bar restraint and instead going with an overhead lap bar/soft vest combo. I am predicting a 48 inches minimum height restriction and really, if the current layouts are rebuilt with the Raptor track, how much fun would it be with a tight vest over your shoulders? One interesting possibility would have been to use the Raptor for TRON, but it came both too late and has too low capacity compared to the Vekoma Motorcycle Coaster.
Disney has done Coasters with moving cars in the station at DAK and WDS in Paris. Remember that both Primeval Whirl and Crush Coaster have moving cars and guests need to exit and enter while moving slowly. On Crush Coaster, the car stops at the end, bars get checked and once all is clear is dispatched. Guest size is again a concern as it can cause a bottleneck if a restraint has to be pushed in or a guest asked to exit because the bar is not far down enough. When your hourly capacity is only 700pph to start, any stall hurts a lot.
On the Raptor, they are moving away from the lap bar restraint and instead going with an overhead lap bar/soft vest combo. I am predicting a 48 inches minimum height restriction and really, if the current layouts are rebuilt with the Raptor track, how much fun would it be with a tight vest over your shoulders? One interesting possibility would have been to use the Raptor for TRON, but it came both too late and has too low capacity compared to the Vekoma Motorcycle Coaster.
Disney has done Coasters with moving cars in the station at DAK and WDS in Paris. Remember that both Primeval Whirl and Crush Coaster have moving cars and guests need to exit and enter while moving slowly. On Crush Coaster, the car stops at the end, bars get checked and once all is clear is dispatched. Guest size is again a concern as it can cause a bottleneck if a restraint has to be pushed in or a guest asked to exit because the bar is not far down enough. When your hourly capacity is only 700pph to start, any stall hurts a lot.
EricsBiscuit
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With Tron they have CMs walk down the train and make sure that the restraints are right.