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jt04

jt04

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MadTeacup said:
Walt never actually designed anything. He trusted the creative people around him to design wonderful things. It is my belief that despite it negating the original concept of Tomorrowland (a showcase of what the future will hold), the Spaceport theming of Tomorrowland '94 is something Walt would have gotten very excited about. It was a well-planned land with a great story tying all the theming together. Additionally it had fun mini-stories happening throughout, such as RoboNews. If anything, I believe he would have seen a land like TL94 fully funded so that the theming and great storytelling would have carried on throughout the entire land. Mind you, I have no way of truly knowing this. I also hate playin up the Walt nostalgia. Walt's nostalgia was mainly rooted in american history. Otherwise, he didn't exactly strike me as a nostalgic person. I believe the best way to actually honor Walt is by creating change.
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I agree to an extent but not all of what you say. MSUSA was never designed to "evolve" thematically. Tomorrowland can keep its original aesthetic for the same reason because that design has become iconic and timeless. Your conclusions are accurate when applied to Future World though. That has been proven repeatedly.

If WDW didn't have so much room to grow, plus potential growth at other theme parks, holding on to the sci-fi city theme would be more important. I think you will see the concept again. Epic Universe?
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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okay bare with me...after being there today I don't care for how its looking Im sorry to say, was not impressed with any of it. I kept asking myself where are they going with this ugly place. Nothing is really improving, it looks like they just painted things over, removed some things, and leaving the fins white? I know the original land was mostly white and that looked good back then, but somehow now its just not......star traders has been reduced to barren and blank walls and a boring aesthetic for a store, stripped down to nothing! It has half the merch it use to have! They could have done something really cool and space like in there.

This piecemeal project has been ongoing for how long now? I know most here still say its not done,,,but Im not seeing anything that looks all that good..........the stitch facade looks lousy which doesn't help either.

sorry but I left there today disappointed with it even more, its all just meh. Maybe the massive crowds (wow was it bad) has me disenchanted and worn out but I just wish they would do something on the level of 94's new tomorrowland, an actual full scale concept.
It was discussed some posts back I think but do we know if this is an actual Imagineering project? or just local management choices?
 
The Visionary Soul

The Visionary Soul

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trainplane3 said:
Kinda sorta I think. Pantera Entertainment leads it I think but this is a separate thing. But it is going to work with parks created in TPS I think? I'm not quite clear. I remember TPS being pretty heavily criticized when it came out but I didn't follow that. I'm a Planet Coaster and No Limits 2 person.

I love the TL 1979 project and that's my main reason for following it.
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The whole of “Pantera Entertainment” is one guy in his house and then he just farms out the coding to individual people (3rd parties) around the world. Not like a huge company or anything, but honestly not a bad or uncommon business model. But if it’s Pantera, you can bet that it’s the same thing with a different name and lots of upgrades. He wouldn’t dump the engine.
 
trainplane3

trainplane3

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TheVisionarySoul said:
The whole of “Pantera Entertainment” is one guy in his house and then he just farms out the coding to individual people (3rd parties) around the world. Not like a huge company or anything, but honestly not a bad or uncommon business model. But if it’s Pantera, you can bet that it’s the same thing with a different name and lots of upgrades. He wouldn’t dump the engine.
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Super interesting. I've had emails back and forth with someone there but I'll assume it's the only "someone" there. And that's not a bad thing. It's definitely Pantera though, they're the main person online during the tests. The engine is Unreal 4 so that's not a true bad thing since it's pretty powerful.

He did ask how I launched the TL 1979 project even though the park was "closed" which I thought was somewhat funny. I really like the project so far but I'm extremely cautious of indie groups once they start asking for money.
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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aladdin2007 said:
okay bare with me...after being there today I don't care for how its looking Im sorry to say, was not impressed with any of it. I kept asking myself where are they going with this ugly place. Nothing is really improving, it looks like they just painted things over, removed some things, and leaving the fins white? I know the original land was mostly white and that looked good back then, but somehow now its just not......star traders has been reduced to barren and blank walls and a boring aesthetic for a store, stripped down to nothing! It has half the merch it use to have! They could have done something really cool and space like in there.

This piecemeal project has been ongoing for how long now? I know most here still say its not done,,,but Im not seeing anything that looks all that good..........the stitch facade looks lousy which doesn't help either.

sorry but I left there today disappointed with it even more, its all just meh. Maybe the massive crowds (wow was it bad) has me disenchanted and worn out but I just wish they would do something on the level of 94's new tomorrowland, an actual full scale concept.
It was discussed some posts back I think but do we know if this is an actual Imagineering project? or just local management choices?
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I believe it is going to work when Tron is complete, and that is the main reason for the change.
The steampunk look (which I liked) just wouldn't work with Tron - unless they steampunked Tron.
I have faith that it will all come together very nicely.
 
MadTeacup

MadTeacup

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Incomudro said:
I believe it is going to work when Tron is complete, and that is the main reason for the change.
The steampunk look (which I liked) just wouldn't work with Tron - unless they steampunked Tron.
I have faith that it will all come together very nicely.
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The problem is that at this rate, it appears they're only removing about 50% of the steampunk decoration and painting the rest of it white. They're doing half of what they need to do on a themed land that was only half completed in '94 which means they're only putting in 25% of the effort they should be. Personally, I want to see them go all or none with this update and am hoping some of the things painted white will be removed as the timeline proceeds.
 
KBLovedDisney

KBLovedDisney

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HauntedMansionFLA said:
Rip Van Winkle 😂
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It took me reading that out loud to get that "Rip" Van Winkle actually meant Rest In Peace Van Winkle...

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rct247

rct247

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I just have to say this...

Discoveryland is best described as "steampunk" because it is retrofuturism based off the Victorian era with H.G. Wells and Jules Verne.

Tomorrowland '94 is best described as "dieselpunk" because it is retrofuturism based on the era from the war years to the 1950s that was similar to Buck Rogers and The Rocketeer.

Tomorrowland '55 was best described as the "atomic age" of retrofuturism of the 1950s.

Tomorrowland '67 was is in the "space age" from the 60s that is what we associate googie architecture and the Jetsons.

"Brutalism" is from the 1970s but also has a lot of ties to Soviet era futurism.

"Cyberpunk" is the dystopian future that took off in the 1980s and early 90s that we see in movies like Blade Runner.
 
jt04

jt04

Well-Known Member
rct247 said:
I just have to say this...

Discoveryland is best described as "steampunk" because it is retrofuturism based off the Victorian era with H.G. Wells and Jules Verne.

Tomorrowland '94 is best described as "dieselpunk" because it is retrofuturism based on the era from the war years to the 1950s that was similar to Buck Rogers and The Rocketeer.

Tomorrowland '55 was best described as the "atomic age" of retrofuturism of the 1950s.

Tomorrowland '67 was is in the "space age" from the 60s that is what we associate googie architecture and the Jetsons.

"Brutalism" is from the 1970s but also has a lot of ties to Soviet era futurism.

"Cyberpunk" is the dystopian future that took off in the 1980s and early 90s that we see in movies like Blade Runner.
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A mashup of atomic age and space age is ideal for the WDW version IMO
 
deWild

deWild

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rct247 said:
I'm sad seeing Tomorrowland '94 go. I loved the Sci-Fi City concept. I know many of the elements had that industrial 1930s/1940s futuristic look, they could have been changed ever so slightly to be more modern. The removal of the light columns outside of Monsters was a great example of something that could have been kept. View attachment 446726
It just looked so vibrant and exciting.

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That second picture is borderline the most boring entrance to a land I’ve seen.
 

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