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[Goofyernmost]

Or.... What if they moved the last scene back to it's original vintage world's fair ending... Leave it firmly planted in 1964... after all, it is presented as "Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress"... Allow it to be a time capsule of sorts... and let's all marvel at the beauty of the original 1964 finale set... modernist and still somehow relevant today...

That is a possibility, but, to me it just makes more sense to alter it to where it currently is and in that way cover the entire 1900's instead of stopping 35 years short. Especially when you consider that the majority of the technological advancements came from the mid 60's to the end of that century. We would get to keep the vast majority of Walt's creation and also make it easily a relevant attraction for today. Believe me, they have tried often enough to shut it down that the simpler we demand for this classic show the better chance we have of keeping it. There is not much of Walt left anymore, but, that one is one of the best examples of where Disney Parks evolved too.

 

[Mike S]

That is a possibility, but, to me it just makes more sense to alter it to where it currently is and in that way cover the entire 1900's instead of stopping 35 years short. Especially when you consider that the majority of the technological advancements came from the mid 60's to the end of that century. We would get to keep the vast majority of Walt's creation and also make it easily a relevant attraction for today. Believe me, they have tried often enough to shut it down that the simpler we demand for this classic show the better chance we have of keeping it. There is not much of Walt left anymore, but, that one is one of the best examples of where Disney Parks evolved too.

Right now it does skip from the 40's to the 90's.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Right now it does skip from the 40's to the 90's.

I know, but, it is still more sensible to keep it for the complete century then to attempt to carry it further into an unknown future. If the world keeps going the way it is now, the last scene would just have a group of terrified people looking out the window at the mushroom cloud.

 

[Little Green Men]

Don't forget the trees at the hub. Since they used to sparkle at night giving the illusion that it's pixie dust.

Uh they do twinkle:

 

[Mike S]

I know, but, it is still more sensible to keep it for the complete century then to attempt to carry it further into an unknown future. If the world keeps going the way it is now, the last scene would just have a group of terrified people looking out the window at the mushroom cloud.

Lol.

You know that I'm in the camp of bringing back the original ending and then leaving it be as the best solution to all continuity issues. Going further and further into the future wouldn't work. Leaving it as it is right now would be the best short term solution though until people with enough passion for it can push for the 1964 scene.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Lol.

You know that I'm in the camp of bringing back the original ending and then leaving it be as the best solution to all continuity issues. Going further and further into the future wouldn't work. Leaving it as it is right now would be the best short term solution though until people with enough passion for it can push for the 1964 scene.

There's nothing wrong with pushing for that, it's just that I fear that the whole idea of keeping CoP is walking on the edge of the envelope as it is. If they can upgrade the equipment, just paint the exterior, interior, carpet and seating we have a good chance of keeping it for a while longer. If we get to demanding about it, they have a million reasons to shut it down and the sad part is that the only one they need is that they want too and there is absolutely nothing that we can do about it.

To me it fits Tomorrowland simply because it is historical. Seeing what tomorrow is has just about no meaning without knowing what yesterday was. We are 16 years into the 21st century. There are a whole large group of people currently coming of age that have no idea what life was like in the 1900's. I personally think it is so vitally important when looking toward tomorrow that we know where we came from. It makes it a lot easier when we can see what we accomplished. Leaving out 40 years of the 1900's is a very big gap that contained a whole lot of advancement during the last half of the century. Still though, nothing compared to today, but, we know what today is... we live it!

 

[Phil12]

There's nothing wrong with pushing for that, it's just that I fear that the whole idea of keeping CoP is walking on the edge of the envelope as it is. If they can upgrade the equipment, just paint the exterior, interior, carpet and seating we have a good chance of keeping it for a while longer. If we get to demanding about it, they have a million reasons to shut it down and the sad part is that the only one they need is that they want too and there is absolutely nothing that we can do about it.

To me it fits Tomorrowland simply because it is historical. Seeing what tomorrow is has just about no meaning without knowing what yesterday was. We are 16 years into the 21st century. There are a whole large group of people currently coming of age that have no idea what life was like in the 1900's. I personally think it is so vitally important when looking toward tomorrow that we know where we came from. It makes it a lot easier when we can see what we accomplished. Leaving out 40 years of the 1900's is a very big gap that contained a whole lot of advancement during the last half of the century. Still though, nothing compared to today, but, we know what today is... we live it!

The problem is that CoP is not at all historical in any sense. It is an idealized world set up to sell GE appliances. It does not even remotely touch upon Thomas Edison and his Edison General Electric Company. Nor does it go into the vile and sordid history of how Thomas Edison attempted to discredit alternating current in favor of direct current. CoP is nothing more than a fairy tale.

 

[marni1971]

The problem is that CoP is not at all historical in any sense. It is an idealized world set up to sell GE appliances. It does not even remotely touch upon Thomas Edison and his Edison General Electric Company. Nor does it go into the vile and sordid history of how Thomas Edison attempted to discredit alternating current in favor of direct current. CoP is nothing more than a fairy tale.

It's in the perfect park then.

At the moment it's future looks better than it has done for a while.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The problem is that CoP is not at all historical in any sense. It is an idealized world set up to sell GE appliances. It does not even remotely touch upon Thomas Edison and his Edison General Electric Company. Nor does it go into the vile and sordid history of how Thomas Edison attempted to discredit alternating current in favor of direct current. CoP is nothing more than a fairy tale.

I grew up in the middle of that era and I will tell you that it was indeed like that for style and what was available for people at the time. It doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of problems, in fact the fuse blowing was a pretty good indication that not everything was rosy. For the middle class family that was what life was like. Were there poor people that couldn't afford those new things, of course, however, GE at the time was not selling Ice Boxes, so get over the unwarranted concern about commercialism and stick with the story line, which indeed was historical. Leave it to someone though to feel compelled to point out that bad things happen because, god forbid, that anyone can be allowed to feel good for a few minutes without making a massive attempt to discredit someone that is not only long dead, but, did indeed contribute many important things to the life style that we live today. We ended up with alternating current didn't we? Why the continued whining? What's your age? 12?

It's a story about a family. Not Thomas Edison so get over the compulsion to point out every mistake or character flaw of people that contributed to the modern society that we currently live in and do not think that every story needs multiple levels. You can find that in any book you care to read about it. It doesn't need to be crammed down our throats. Complain about GE, but, there are a number of prized attractions that have been and are at Disney that wouldn't be there if it weren't for GE. Not sure Mr. Edison was involved with any of the time period when those shows were created anyway. Look at it this way, Edison's direct current was the "one little spark of inspiration" that allowed Tesla to expand and improve. The story is about what was happening at the time for the common family. The first scene didn't even have electricity. From what I remember and what I was told about the times previous to my entry on the globe, it is a very accurate historical depiction of what very much was in many homes. Save the drama for a different thread.

 

[MotherOfBirds]

I would also like to see a return to the original last scene. For my sanity's sake, I can't handle seeing grandma and grandpa going off about all these damn kids with their emojis and their snapgrams and how they're going to "swipe right on progress."

I should also mention that she noticed a solid uptick in attendance at CoP when the new sign was installed. She seems to understand that a big part of revitalizing TL is just making it clean and shiny.

 

[prberk]

I grew up in the middle of that era and I will tell you that it was indeed like that for style and what was available for people at the time. It doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of problems, in fact the fuse blowing was a pretty good indication that not everything was rosy. For the middle class family that was what life was like. Were there poor people that couldn't afford those new things, of course, however, GE at the time was not selling Ice Boxes, so get over the unwarranted concern about commercialism and stick with the story line, which indeed was historical. Leave it to someone though to feel compelled to point out that bad things happen because, god forbid, that anyone can be allowed to feel good for a few minutes without making a massive attempt to discredit someone that is not only long dead, but, did indeed contribute many important things to the life style that we live today. We ended up with alternating current didn't we? Why the continued whining? What's your age? 12?

It's a story about a family. Not Thomas Edison so get over the compulsion to point out every mistake or character flaw of people that contributed to the modern society that we currently live in and do not think that every story needs multiple levels. You can find that in any book you care to read about it. It doesn't need to be crammed down our throats. Complain about GE, but, there are a number of prized attractions that have been and are at Disney that wouldn't be there if it weren't for GE. Not sure Mr. Edison was involved with any of the time period when those shows were created anyway. Look at it this way, Edison's direct current was the "one little spark of inspiration" that allowed Tesla to expand and improve. The story is about what was happening at the time for the common family. The first scene didn't even have electricity. From what I remember and what I was told about the times previous to my entry on the globe, it is a very accurate historical depiction of what very much was in many homes. Save the drama for a different thread.

I cannot agree more. It is a story of the American family -- not every one, but an amalgamation that was allegorical -- and it was meant to show the march of technological progress as it affected the American family at large. The blown fuse and going out to change it on the box outside of the house is especially effective. I remember doing that, and my grandmother's house when I moved into it in 1990 still had fuses in a box on the outside -- and they would blow when we plugged up too much. And it was annoying, just like the boy expresses. And my other grandma had a wood cooking stove in the basement, where her kitchen was. The early scene reminded me somewhat of that time period.

This is not a story about Edison or Tesla or the type of history found in the American Adventure at EPCOT. It is the story of an American family and how its hopes and dreams interact with the march of progress. And, yes, it was inspirational to me; and, yes, it was inspirational and cool to 20-year-old and 16-year-old males that recently went with me to it. The 20-year-old had recently gone with his girlfriend and loved it.

And not to mention how I learned about Sarsaparilla...

 

[aladdin2007]

I would also like to see a return to the original last scene. For my sanity's sake, I can't handle seeing grandma and grandpa going off about all these damn kids with their emojis and their snapgrams and how they're going to "swipe right on progress."

I should also mention that she noticed a solid uptick in attendance at CoP when the new sign was installed. She seems to understand that a big part of revitalizing TL is just making it clean and shiny.

there's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day.

 

[gmajew]

I really hope they don't get rid of this attraction... Sure it does not show the future of our current world but I feel it a great historical ride that showcases the advances of the world during the 1900's. That the future and the dreaming and the incredible discovery of new technology never stops and that the possibilities are endless going forward.... Sure it does not show what those are but kids use there imagination and guess what they see things we never dream of.... That is why this ride with its current ending or the original fits perfectly in this park...

 

[Rteetz]

I haven't seen this mentioned here but the carousel twitter account mentioned that there are plans to get rid of the speedway. Any substance to that? @marni1971

 

[MotherOfBirds]

I was told the speedway "needs updating." She might have not talked to WDI about it yet, but I didn't get the impression they'd be replacing it yet

 

[1023]

Uh they do twinkle:View attachment 170412

How can you tell....? The light pollution in that photo is glaring....

get it... glaring....

*1023*

 

[marni1971]

I haven't seen this mentioned here but the carousel twitter account mentioned that there are plans to get rid of the speedway. Any substance to that? @marni1971

Nothing I know of. But it will be the last petrol driven version left. And it's only really gotten shorter over the years.

 

[Phil12]

It's in the perfect park then.

At the moment it's future looks better than it has done for a while.

I agree!

 

[Phil12]

I grew up in the middle of that era and I will tell you that it was indeed like that for style and what was available for people at the time. It doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of problems, in fact the fuse blowing was a pretty good indication that not everything was rosy. For the middle class family that was what life was like. Were there poor people that couldn't afford those new things, of course, however, GE at the time was not selling Ice Boxes, so get over the unwarranted concern about commercialism and stick with the story line, which indeed was historical. Leave it to someone though to feel compelled to point out that bad things happen because, god forbid, that anyone can be allowed to feel good for a few minutes without making a massive attempt to discredit someone that is not only long dead, but, did indeed contribute many important things to the life style that we live today. We ended up with alternating current didn't we? Why the continued whining? What's your age? 12?

It's a story about a family. Not Thomas Edison so get over the compulsion to point out every mistake or character flaw of people that contributed to the modern society that we currently live in and do not think that every story needs multiple levels. You can find that in any book you care to read about it. It doesn't need to be crammed down our throats. Complain about GE, but, there are a number of prized attractions that have been and are at Disney that wouldn't be there if it weren't for GE. Not sure Mr. Edison was involved with any of the time period when those shows were created anyway. Look at it this way, Edison's direct current was the "one little spark of inspiration" that allowed Tesla to expand and improve. The story is about what was happening at the time for the common family. The first scene didn't even have electricity. From what I remember and what I was told about the times previous to my entry on the globe, it is a very accurate historical depiction of what very much was in many homes. Save the drama for a different thread.

If they desired to have any historical accuracy, when the fuse blew James would have put a penny behind the blown fuse.

 

[DznyRktekt]

If they desired to have any historical accuracy, when the fuse blew James would have put a penny behind the blown fuse.

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Look at that and tube! Wow censorship of construction techniques from the early 1900's. LOL