Andrew C
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No. But it can be part of an overall process to change it up.
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No. But it can be part of an overall process to change it up.
Brad Bishop
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I hope I'm wrong but I'm thinking I'm right:
I think those of you who are expecting more than paint + Tron are going to be disappointed.
At some point Tron will be done and they'll look at the budget and say, "Ok. That's enough paint," and that'll be that. Then the 50th will roll around and there'll be no pressure to do anything else <- that's the big one - no reason to add more after the 50th.
Basically: budget cuts.
I could still say this about the 1994 redo: "I'll hold my judgement until it's finished."
I still question the Future World redo at Epcot. I think that, while it's currently on the table, it'll either be scrapped or scaled back after the 50th because they've had great luck with festivals. Why spend all of that money on Future World when you get people to pay an incredibly high cover to go to an outdoor bar AND they all show up?
I think that it's likely that the Epcot refurb will amount to:
- redo the entrance to remove the grave stones and return it back to how it once was
- empty / leave the buildings empty in Innoventions (or whatever the name was). They could use those buildings with some curtains for things like F&W, Festival of the Arts, F&G, Festival of Summer, etc. It makes more sense than tearing them down. Maybe put a coat of paint on them.
Are they really going to spend $1B+ on Epcot after the 50th, after spending money on DL and DHS, and after Tron? Epcot will have gotten two new rides and potentially a new country.
I think those of you who are expecting more than paint + Tron are going to be disappointed.
At some point Tron will be done and they'll look at the budget and say, "Ok. That's enough paint," and that'll be that. Then the 50th will roll around and there'll be no pressure to do anything else <- that's the big one - no reason to add more after the 50th.
Basically: budget cuts.
I could still say this about the 1994 redo: "I'll hold my judgement until it's finished."
I still question the Future World redo at Epcot. I think that, while it's currently on the table, it'll either be scrapped or scaled back after the 50th because they've had great luck with festivals. Why spend all of that money on Future World when you get people to pay an incredibly high cover to go to an outdoor bar AND they all show up?
I think that it's likely that the Epcot refurb will amount to:
- redo the entrance to remove the grave stones and return it back to how it once was
- empty / leave the buildings empty in Innoventions (or whatever the name was). They could use those buildings with some curtains for things like F&W, Festival of the Arts, F&G, Festival of Summer, etc. It makes more sense than tearing them down. Maybe put a coat of paint on them.
Are they really going to spend $1B+ on Epcot after the 50th, after spending money on DL and DHS, and after Tron? Epcot will have gotten two new rides and potentially a new country.
Clamman73
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I don’t see them holding back now since they put up new towers at Coronado, Caribbean...Cove hotel, Star Wars hotel. I think they know people get bored of the same old stuff like food booths every year.
trainplane3
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More pictures of painting work throughout TL:
http://blogmickey.com/2019/04/photo...eme-arrives-in-tomorrowland-at-magic-kingdom/
The comparison shot is nice:
http://blogmickey.com/2019/04/photo...eme-arrives-in-tomorrowland-at-magic-kingdom/
The comparison shot is nice:
BoarderPhreak
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Well, if nothing else, all of Tomorrowland will have lots of coats of paint by the time they're done - whatever color it ends up being. 
So, I guess all of Tomorrowland is getting the Carousel of Progress treatment.
Bocabear
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Having just been to Shanghai Disneyland and seeing their Tomorrowland in person, I can say that no paint scheme can replicate the look of what they have done their with their Tomorrowland. It is more than just finishes...it is the structures themselves....and it is very modern and very beautiful...but somehow lacks for lack of a better word, fun... It looks like serious architecture...similar to the new buildings being built in Shanghai...and while there are lots of beautiful colored lights, as a whole it sort of lacks joy... Perhaps it is the scale which is massive and the fact that there are very few attractions... While the amoeba canopy is beautiful and all, it really is a very large plain building... Our original Tomorrowland with all it's faults is much nicer in scale...The paint scheme will hopefully refresh the overall look, but I am not sure how any of this will fit what I saw in Shanghai...
Brad Bishop
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Is it possible that with Shanghai that it needs a decade or two for the foliage to grow? Like if you look at early pics of the Magic Kingdom it looks very empty compared to now and a lot of that is 50 years of growth (plants).
It's something MK's Tomorrowland really could use: trees, maybe a water feature besides the giant ball. The metal trees are nice/neat but they really don't replicate just having regular trees in TL. The metal trees would be great for a patio where I'm having drinks.
Forgetting for a moment about the attractions in TL (MK), if they could just make better use of the space and have some futuristic facades (kind of like what they started in 1994) up, that'd still be a win. The TL dance party stage are just tells me they're out of ideas.
Bocabear
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At Shanghai's Tomorrowland it is more a matter of scale... The open spaces are designed to be open... So I do not believe having time for the vegetation to grow in is going to change the overall effect... It is more a matter of scale, and that goes for the whole park. It is absolutely immense. The way they designed the land with elevated walkways on different levels it kind of feels like an abandoned shopping mall. Very pretty but seems very vacant... The Jet Packs attraction sits all by itself...not close enough to anything else to relate...Everything seems like brushed aluminum...Very pretty at nights with their colored lighting, but again, just feels like there is a lot missing... And the distance you have to travel from Tron to the next attraction in Fantasyland is just immense... Lots of long walking paths with nothing but greenery... Like they scattered the attractions around Central park... In time when they add another 10 attractions or so it is going to be great, and the Pirate's Cove section is absolutely amazing... but the park feels very unfinished and lacking attractions...and the layout is just odd....
Brad Bishop
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If those people are going to come, anyway, and will not only pay for, but defend, the prices, why add anything?
I really think what they're adding now is more about the capacity for the 50th than anything else. They basically need a place to put all of the visitors which should peak during 2021-2022. After that, it should ease off and there's really no justification for spending another $1B+ on Epcot especially when you can make the argument: It just got 3 new rides! (Frozen, Rat, and GotG) + the front entrance.
Walt was a risk-taker, much to the chagrin of Roy.
Eisner was a risk-taker up until Paris failed and then he became quite tepid.
Iger, and the current management, is all about the bottom line. Does spending $1B AFTER the 50th at Epcot make any sort of difference to those who will come, pay the high cover, and then pay for expensive drinks (at the festivals which are year round now). No. $1B in spending makes no sense there. They'll come and spend their money anyway (and defend it).
Until that changes (people spending their money.. AND defending it I suppose) there's no reason to spend $1B+ on Epcot especially after 3 rides at Epcot + what is essentially DHS makeover (really it's a completion from 25+ years back where they just stopped) + Tron and some paint at TL at MK. They'll be done spending money for a good long while after the 50th starts (they're not going to start new, large projects during the 50th because of the crowds and I can't imagine them starting new, large projects for the next decade or two after the 50th).
memethyst
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this new paint is awful. the teal and the coral color on star traders look absolutely horrible together.
the speedway logo on the track looks faded even though it's new paint.
cosmic ray's doesn't look as bad as everything else but i wish they would've done purple or blue instead of yellow...
the speedway logo on the track looks faded even though it's new paint.
cosmic ray's doesn't look as bad as everything else but i wish they would've done purple or blue instead of yellow...
smallworld_boy
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gustaftp
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I would greatly have preferred to see a modernized version of the original color palate there. It looked so much better. I'd also much rather have the 1994 steampunk stuff over this creamsicle crap. Granted, I DO like the COP color scheme. And I even low-key like the purple wall. But NO THANK YOU to what they are doing to Star Traders.
This new color scheme reminds me of when Tomorrowland had those teal and pink accents added in the late (?) 1980s.
This new color scheme reminds me of when Tomorrowland had those teal and pink accents added in the late (?) 1980s.
More proof of the adage, "Be careful what you ask for..."
WDWTank
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When DL’s and WDW’s Tomorrowland was first built and fully conceived, the design was based on real-life predictions of the future from that era.
Fast forward 20 years and it becomes outdated. Why? Because it was rooted in a real-life, at the time, future. Disney now has a “problem” that needs to be addressed. The solution? Discoveryland. A romanticized vision of the future grounded in the past. Fantasy. Sci-fi. Jules Verne. H.G. Wells. Fiction. Not real life.
In my opinion, Disney should finish what they started in ‘94-‘95. They should continue with the timeless Tomorrowland grounded in sci-fi, H.G. Wells, and partial steampunk and Discovery. It would cost less money than completely reimagining the land from the ground up, and would prevent another “Tomorrowland Problem” from happening again.
Brad Bishop
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I almost posted the exact same thing. Every other land is based around a genre for books and moves. Tomorrowland is based around future technology. Why not just switch it to "Science Fiction Land"?
At the same time, I wish they'd just tell their Imagineers: "Here's Tomorrowland - do whatever you want with it," and then just let them fix it (SciFi Land, Discoveryland, whatever else the Imagineers dream up).
I tend to think that they're mostly stuck with the marketing/bean counters wanting everything IP because that's, in their mind, a guaranteed return on investment. At the same time, the IP has to do extremely well (see Moana) to be used. Non-IP rides are risky even though it's shown that many of them really do stand the test of time.
Walt rebuilt Tomorrowland
Eisner remodeled it
Iger repaints it.
Bocabear
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non IP rides are not risky at all... People come to theme parks for rides and experiences...
There is no risk whatsoever.... Does the ride sell more merchandise? Well that is the question, but not having an IP attached is not going to make the difference between someone liking or hating a ride... The parks need more attractions...IP or not... Speedway, Haunted Mansion, Small World, Space Mountain, the original Pirates of The Caribbean, Enchanted Tiki Room, Astor Jets, Big Thunder Mountain...none of these attractions had IP and all of them attracted crowds to the parks... There really is no risk to non IP attractions as long as they are well done...
Expedition Everest...was that a risk? Heck no...
There is no risk whatsoever.... Does the ride sell more merchandise? Well that is the question, but not having an IP attached is not going to make the difference between someone liking or hating a ride... The parks need more attractions...IP or not... Speedway, Haunted Mansion, Small World, Space Mountain, the original Pirates of The Caribbean, Enchanted Tiki Room, Astor Jets, Big Thunder Mountain...none of these attractions had IP and all of them attracted crowds to the parks... There really is no risk to non IP attractions as long as they are well done...
Expedition Everest...was that a risk? Heck no...
ImperfectPixie
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What I miss is the merch that was land and attraction specific...it seems like every gift shop now has mostly the same exact stuff.