Tom Staggs drops some REAL information about the future

[Oddysey]

I think the same could easily be said about Transformers (I mean, the last two movies were awful and it's not like the first one was all that great), yet Universal is still building a ride. And people seem to be excited by it.

If the Pandora expansion provides good attractions and a well themed land, people won't care about the movie it is based on. If it sucks as a theme park land, then it won't matter if the upcoming movies make a crapload of money and become part of the cultural consciousness. A good ride is a good ride.

Look at how many people say they don't care for Cars, but still enjoy Cars Land immensely.

I like your argument here because ultimately a good attraction is going to do precisely what it is supposed to do, and thats attract people. However, if this is the case, why not just avoid all of the licensing costs associated with using the rights to Avatar, and create an organic timeless Disney experience just like they used to do. Beastly Kingdom perhaps?

 

[SirLink]

People here like to complain that Disney isn't more like universal, yet fail to point out that universal is filled with a bunch of motion simulators based in crappy IPs. Nothing new.

What 'bunch' are you on about - there are only two simulator attractions Despicable ME which was a quality animated film, and The Simpsons a quality bit of parody in the attraction and pretty funny.

If ya wanna talk about bad simulator attractions there is one in Epcot though...

 

[Captain Chaos]

I'm not trying to get in the middle of all this, but just for the record I am jealous of anyone who gets free trips to WDW. If I knew how to actually have a podcast I might try it. Maybe I can volunteer the wife to be a mommy blogger. That seems like much less work

You wouldn't need a real job to satisfy an unhealthy addiction to an animated talking mouse.... These podcasters who need to live on the dust are just as bad as druggies and by that I mean they find any way to fulfill their addiction... It is a mental disease...

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I like your argument here because ultimately a good attraction is going to do precisely what it is supposed to do, and thats attract people. However, if this is the case, why not just avoid all of the licensing costs associated with using the rights to Avatar, and create an organic timeless Disney experience just like they used to do. Beastly Kingdom perhaps?

Because having a high quality attraction based on a recognized property is an even stronger selling point to guests. They question though, as stated a million times here, is whether or not Avatar is that strong of a property to begin with. Disney, like James Cameron, is banking on it staying big over time with the upcoming sequels. Only time will tell if that's what really happens.

 

[ChrisFL]

People here like to complain that Disney isn't more like universal, yet fail to point out that universal is filled with a bunch of motion simulators based in crappy IPs. Nothing new.

Yes, those Spinners and Omnimovers in the new Fantasyland are incredibly groundbreaking

 

[danlb_2000]

I said crappy IPs - transformers, despicable me, Simpsons, twister, shrek.

Have you even seen Despicable ME? I can't see how you can call that one crappy by any measure. If you haven't seen it, it's on ABC family tonight, check it out.

 

[BryceM]

People here like to complain that Disney isn't more like universal, yet fail to point out that universal is filled with a bunch of motion simulators based in crappy IPs. Nothing new.

That couldn't be farther from the truth.

Anyways, I am hoping for a more complete Pixar Place, with a combination of attractions and theming from different Pixar movies. But I'm also hoping for a full-blown Cars Land, if they choose to go down that path. Cardboard flats don't sound too promising...

 

[lazyboy97o]

Have you even seen Despicable ME? I can't see how you can call that one crappy by any measure. If you haven't seen it, it's on ABC family tonight, check it out.

Thanks. I haven't seen the film but the attraction is a nice bit of fun.

 

[BryceM]

I said crappy IPs - transformers, despicable me, Simpsons, twister, shrek.

Oh yes, those are such crappy IP's. People seem to forget that Transformers has been around a lot longer than the Michael Bay films. It has a broad and very large fan base as many kids have grown up with the Transformers cartoons, comics, toys, etc. Despicable Me is an amazing film that is very popular and a planned sequel is coming out soon. It's really funny and great family film! The Shrek series is very popular and funny. I can't name one person who hasn't seen the original Shrek and loved it.

I can't argue for Twister, but there has been rumors that the attraction will be the next to go...

 

[SirLink]

I said crappy IPs - transformers, despicable me, Simpsons, twister, shrek.

3 of those aren't simulators though

 

[ebof1023]

this was always one of those things that baffled me why they never had a land specifically for star wars. the possiblities are endless for that mos eisley cantina a pod racer attraction or a space fight thrill ride i just think there still is such a huge market for this

 

[Lee]

Funny how some folks confuse "jealousy" with "derision."

Lots more of the latter 'round here...

 

[JustInTime]

I said crappy IPs - transformers, despicable me, Simpsons, twister, shrek.

I actually have to agree here. I think you just used a poor word choice. Not crappy, more "stale". Universal has a lot of stale IPs. But i'd say Shrek, Twister, The Mummy, Toon Lagoon, Terminator, Beetlejuice and Men in Black are more stale then what you've listed.

 

[marni1971]

Humble personal opinions getting in the way of facts again....

 

[Captain Neo]

I love how that guy said Universal is all motion simulators when WDW is constantly redoing rides replacing actual scenes with large video screen walls to stare at. I sadly dread a retooling of Imagination because I know that means take out what little set pieces and AA's are left and replace it with video screens

 

[BrianLo]

Have no idea what the eventual plan for Cars Land will be, but the last I heard was very much a mini-value engineered version that would also include mini-areas for other Pixar films including Monsters (yes, with coaster) and Ratatouille (not sure whether this would include the very pricey ride Paris is getting).

I actually don't hate that plan... Having many properties represented by "mini-lands" fits in thematically better to Pixar Studio's than a full Carsland shoe-horned onto its back.

I say that with the expectation that they'd be reducing Carsland to just Radiator Springs racers (which presumably would be completely enclosed off in an unseen show building - negating the need for outdoor rock-work) and gaining Monsters Inc. and Ratatouille rides.

I guess in my opinion 3 E-tickets represented by a decent conceit of a land > 1 E-ticket existing in a great land. Assuming it's the same Ratatouille ride as Paris...

 

[Lee]

I actually have to agree here. I think you just used a poor word choice. Not crappy, more "stale". Universal has a lot of stale IPs. But i'd say Shrek, Twister, The Mummy, Toon Lagoon, Terminator, Beetlejuice and Men in Black are more stale then what you've listed.

True, to some extent.
But there's plenty stale on Disney property, too.

Also, a quality attraction can rise above a weak, stale or old IP.

 

[td1129]

Have you even seen Despicable ME? I can't see how you can call that one crappy by any measure. If you haven't seen it, it's on ABC family tonight, check it out.

Will do. Thanks for the tip.

 

[danlb_2000]

Will do. Thanks for the tip.

So you haven't seen it?

 

[JustInTime]

True, to some extent.
But there's plenty stale on Disney property, too.

Also, a quality attraction can rise above a weak, stale or old IP.

Totally agree. Like The Mummy. It's fantastic. Even though the franchise stale, the reboot is coming up so it should be fine. But the ride left me blown away. The problem is most of what Disney has to work with is timeless while Universal's palate is less so. Which is my only concern for Avatar. Disney could be walking into the same problems that Universal has had over the past 15 years or so.

And there are a few stale IPs at Disney but much less so. We just won't talk about the most stale park of all, Epcot.