Tom Staggs at WDW

Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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WED Purist said:
The five year lookahead was for all of the parks, worldwide. The message stateside is that now that Carsland is open and DCA is stable, much love and focus will be heading east. A little bit in every park, a lot in a couple, but it's going to get busier around here.
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I think you're confusing "message" with "wishful thinking".
 
jt04

jt04

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Brewmaster said:
I just want to be clear on your position, are you stating that The Disney company is " changing how groundbreaking ceremonies and other events are covered"', or that all people (corporations are people too!) are retooling the way they announce major additions/ new construction projects?

For the record, I was able to pull up 10 Stories on various groundbreaking events that were covered using "old media" techniques.
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Those same stories would not likely show up through search if they were first talked about on blogs, fan forums, twitter, facebook etc. Truly hit or miss. For example searches rarely show twitter posts, if at all. That is probably for the best. My point is corporations and others in general are controlling the message more and more through things like facebook and social media. Increasingly they bypass traditional media which now represents more of a 'point of view' rather than a 'just the facts' medium. They (Old media) has become more extreme as they loose the ability to craft the message and more entities are finding it beneficial to just bypass those information outlets. Just look at the ratings for CNN and circulation of papers like the NYT and USA Today. Even the on-line versions. People are weary of the one-sided one-deminsional take from these outlets. Even Fox could not stop the trend.

Disney is more of a follower in this but they are definitely learning the ropes and using more diverse message 'pipelines' as time passes. This is one of those trends that is irreversable. Genie has left the bottle.

~CTX~
 
Brewmaster

Brewmaster

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jt04 said:
Those same stories would not likely show up through search if they were first talked about on blogs, fan forums, twitter, facebook etc. Truly hit or miss. For example searches rarely show twitter posts, if at all. That is probably for the best. My point is corporations and others in general are controlling the message more and more through things like facebook and social media. Increasingly they bypass traditional media which now represents more of a 'point of view' rather than a 'just the facts' medium. They (Old media) has become more extreme as they loose the ability to craft the message and more entities are finding it beneficial to just bypass those information outlets. Just look at the ratings for CNN and circulation of papers like the NYT and USA Today. Even the on-line versions. People are weary of the one-sided one-deminsional take from these outlets. Even Fox could not stop the trend.

Disney is more of a follower in this but they are definitely learning the ropes and using more diverse message 'pipelines' as time passes. This is one of those trends that is irreversable. Genie has left the bottle.

~CTX~
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I agree with pretty much most of this statement, however I would go further and state this method is true for promoting projects to the general customer base/fans of the product (the end user if you will) to create interest. The "first shovel of dirt" ceremonies are for share holders, investors, local politicians et al. That's why its still ingrained in current corporate DNA and most likely will continue to be for the foreseeable future. My point to all this is, while it might not be front page, headline grabbing news for Disney to break ground on a new construction project in Florida, it certainly would be on the media radar if/when it takes place. So if the fans wanted confirmation that the Avatar project had started, media (old or new) stories for a ceremony like this would provide solid evidence that it was underway. Disney had a small media event for the Cars land dirt shoveling, I fully expect they would do the same for this project.
 
NoChesterHester

NoChesterHester

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WED Purist said:
The five year lookahead was for all of the parks, worldwide. The message stateside is that now that Carsland is open and DCA is stable, much love and focus will be heading east. A little bit in every park, a lot in a couple, but it's going to get busier around here.
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I don't distrust you, but sure hope you aren't just making that up to be some cyber hero.
 
jt04

jt04

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Brewmaster said:
I agree with pretty much most of this statement, however I would go further and state this method is true for promoting projects to the general customer base/fans of the product (the end user if you will) to create interest. The "first shovel of dirt" ceremonies are for share holders, investors, local politicians et al. That's why its still ingrained in current corporate DNA and most likely will continue to be for the foreseeable future. My point to all this is, while it might not be front page, headline grabbing news for Disney to break ground on a new construction project in Florida, it certainly would be on the media radar if/when it takes place. So if the fans wanted confirmation that the Avatar project had started, media (old or new) stories for a ceremony like this would provide solid evidence that it was underway. Disney had a small media event for the Cars land dirt shoveling, I fully expect they would do the same for this project.
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This did not happen when Uni broke ground on the new Potter at IoA, new Potter at the Studios, Transformers or Antartica at Sea World. So I would not be suprised if there were a little ceremony at DAK and nobody outside the company was notified or invited.
 
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Jim Handy

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jt04 said:
This did not happen when Uni broke ground on the new Potter at IoA, new Potter at the Studios, Transformers or Antartica at Sea World. So I would not be suprised if there were a little ceremony at DAK and nobody outside the company was notified or invited.
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Disney will publicize Avatar more than they do most projects. We've already seen, what? 2 Parks Blog posts with Staggs schmoozing Cameron?

There is no reason for them to keep a ground breaking a secret. We will know when it happens.
 
Brewmaster

Brewmaster

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jt04 said:
This did not happen when Uni broke ground on the new Potter at IoA, new Potter at the Studios, Transformers or Antartica at Sea World. So I would not be suprised if there were a little ceremony at DAK and nobody outside the company was notified or invited.
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You mean like this http://attractionsmagazine.com/blog...g-ceremony-at-walt-disney-worlds-golden-oak/?

Or this https://enterpriseportal.disney.com...s_TPR/20110407_shanghai-groundbreaking-1.jpg?

Maybe this http://www.mouseplanet.com/9137/Walt_Disney_World_Resort_Update
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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jt04 said:
Some members so take me out of context and/or twist my words that going in in detail to make corrections becomes necessary. When I break out the red type it is necessary.

Bolded, undelined, italisized and fonted to annoy a certain spirit. :cool:
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What about when you flat out get information wrong? Is that taken out of context as well? Was your statement that MGM opened after Universal taken out of context? What about when you said that DAK and ToT opened after IOA?
 
jt04

jt04

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RSoxNo1 said:
What about when you flat out get information wrong? Is that taken out of context as well? Was your statement that MGM opened after Universal taken out of context? What about when you said that DAK and ToT opened after IOA?
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No I got those wrong. That is why I did not break out my red font in response. Of course if there was not a Universal Studios it is doubtful there would ever have been a Disney/MGM park no matter which opened first. I would bet money that if IoA was not rumored or was even known about by the mouse that DAK would have ever happened either. The substance of my argument still stands despite being wrong about the exact order events happened.
 
jt04

jt04

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Jim Handy said:
JT, you just don't understand much of anything.

Disney will publicize Avatar more than they do most projects. We've already seen, what? 2 Parks Blog posts with Staggs schmoozing Cameron?

There is no reason for them to keep a ground breaking a secret. We will know when it happens.
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Yes we will and may have already been aware of it. Time will tell along with some blog or forum posting. I am having trouble recalling the FLE groundbreaking in the legacy media. Huh. Imagine that.

It was some goofy jungle cruise captain that informed us that bulldozers were moving dirt backstage for the FLE here on this forum. You must not remember that. Oh wait, you have only been here since Februrary. No wonder you don't understand much of anything.

Rookies :rolleyes:
 
Brewmaster

Brewmaster

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jt04 said:
All new media. Thanks for making my point.:)
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The actual point is that you stated that traditional groundbreaking activities aren't in practice with TWDC, you mentioned you'd be surprised if they had anything more than a quiet ceremony wherein a small handful of company delegates would be in attendance. I gave you three recent examples of how that belief is incorrect. The fact that WDW lifestyle blogs carried the stories (in addition to traditional media) is completely irrelevant, the events still took place in all their Disney-hamming-it-up glory.

Now, let's all stay tuned for any actual indication that this project is underway...
 
J

Jim Handy

Active Member
jt04 said:
Yes we will and may have already been aware of it. Time will tell along with some blog or forum posting. I am having trouble recalling the FLE groundbreaking in the legacy media. Huh. Imagine that.

It was some goofy jungle cruise captain that informed us that bulldozers were moving dirt backstage for the FLE here on this forum. You must not remember that. Oh wait, you have only been here since Februrary. No wonder you don't understand much of anything.

Rookies :rolleyes:
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Fantasyland is so much different than Avatar. So, so much.

And even if I am wrong, and they wouldn't publicize the ground breaking, it is very safe to say it hasn't happened yet.


I've been reading these forums for years now. I'm no rookie. I know how things work around here and in the real world.

You should try the real world, JT. It's nice here. Things make sense and sometimes people even admit when they are wrong!
 
jt04

jt04

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Brewmaster said:
The actual point is that you stated that traditional groundbreaking activities aren't in practice with TWDC, you mentioned you'd be surprised if they had anything more than a quiet ceremony wherein a small handful of company delegates would be in attendance. I gave you three recent examples of how that belief is incorrect. The fact that WDW lifestyle blogs carried the stories (in addition to traditional media) is completely irrelevant, the events still took place in all their Disney-hamming-it-up glory.

Now, let's all stay tuned for any actual indication that this project is underway...
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That is what aerial pics are for.
 

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