Tigger Punches Guest??

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isitingood

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Scar Junior said:
But that's what Tiggers do best!

I, for one, find some comedy in this. It appears to be a non-issue. It's not like he slugged him. I'm waiting for more facts come out. It didn't appear to be malicious, but if it was then Disney will take care of it. I don't see how the sheriff's office should get involved.
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The sheriff's office can get involved, the kid was a minor and it's illegal to strike a minor, even though I agree with everyone that it wasn't much of a punch at all:wave:
 
juan

juan

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isitingood said:
The sheriff's office can get involved, the kid was a minor and it's illegal to strike a minor, even though I agree with everyone that it wasn't much of a punch at all:wave:
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it's also illegal for character defamation (no pun intended), slander, libel, verbal abuse, and assault (kid grabbing tigger and punching afterwards)

Tigger could make quite the countersuit...
 
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isitingood

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juan said:
it's also illegal for character defamation (no pun intended), slander, libel, verbal abuse, and assault (kid grabbing tigger and punching afterwards)

Tigger could make quite the countersuit...
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It doesn't matter if the kid hit him afterwards you cannot hit a minor period! I didn't hear any verbal abuse by the kid either. As for character defamation and slander that will have to be proven first and hopefully it will be because I still think Tigger is innocent all I was trying to say is that the police can get involved because it was a minor.
 
juan

juan

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isitingood said:
It doesn't matter if the kid hit him afterwards you cannot hit a minor period! I didn't hear any verbal abuse by the kid either. As for character defamation and slander that will have to be proven first and hopefully it will be because I still think Tigger is innocent all I was trying to say is that the police can get involved because it was a minor.
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The verbal abuse, slander, libel, and character defamation can come against the father, like when he said "Why doesn't he be a man and come out of the suit." That and other things said by the father through the media interviews can be grounds for suit by Tigger especially with all of the use of the CM's name.

As for the assault against the kid, we will have to see how the case turns out. I'm not sure how the ramifications of the law would work in this instance, especially if Tigger was acting in self defense after being assaulted from behind. The same way if an adult hit a minor after the minor pulled a knife or something on the adult.
 
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isitingood

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juan said:
The verbal abuse, slander, libel, and character defamation can come against the father, like when he said "Why doesn't he be a man and come out of the suit." That and other things said by the father through the media interviews can be grounds for suit by Tigger especially with all of the use of the CM's name.

As for the assault against the kid, we will have to see how the case turns out. I'm not sure how the ramifications of the law would work in this instance, especially if Tigger was acting in self defense after being assaulted from behind. The same way if an adult hit a minor after the minor pulled a knife or something on the adult.
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It will have to be proven if Tigger was assaulted from behind. You're comparing apples and oranges when you compare a knife to whatever the kid was doing.
 
slappy magoo

slappy magoo

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isitingood said:
It will have to be proven if Tigger was assaulted from behind. You're comparing apples and oranges when you compare a knife to whatever the kid was doing.
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But it would also have to be proven that the CM intentionally hit the kid. No peripheral vision, no way of knowing how close he was to the kid's head, a defending attorney could easily make the argument that the CM was jujst trying to get away from the kid, especially if he was also able to successfully argue that the kid was doing something behind the CM's back. And imho, the way "Tigger" whips his arm around the kid's arm makes me think he was trying to get away from the kid more than trying to b-slap the kid. Regardless, in a court of law, intent would be an issue. The CM could still be possibly be found negligent, but carelessly so, not criminally so.

At this point, we all have our opinion on what went on. I can't speak for everyone, but I personally don't think I have any sort of "blind love" for WDW that prevents me from finding the company or its CMs faulty or negligent if something goes wrong. If they do something wrong, especially if it involves injuring a guest, I'm gonna be angry about it. I base my opinion on what I've seen in this situation based on the video, and subsequent interviews with the family. They don't strike me as being completely honest about the situation. I don't think the slap was intentional, I don't think it was based on any anger the CM felt,but rather a self-defensive attempt to extricate himself from a painful, perhaps dangerous situation (if he were choking, I'm sure he wouldn't want to pass out on the little ones in front of him). I don't think the Monacos planned this in advance, but they saw a chance to milk this situation and decided to go for it. I find it really hard to believe that, 30 hours after the incident, after refusing medical service, and spending more time on rides, the kid suddenly realized he was in crippling pain from that slap and needed to go to the hospital. I think this would be thrown out of a preliminary hearing, based on that fact alone (again, a defense attorney could argue, who knows what this kid has done in the past 30 hours that could contribute to his pain?) And if WDW can provide any security video where you see the kid after the incident being physical or entering an attraction, it will totally shut down that argument). The Monacos would be doing themselves a favor by letting this go, but now they can't. They're already going to be the laughingstock of their hometown. The best they can hope for is to at least try to weasel some money out of it.

Eh, nothing I'm going to say will sway anyone's opinion at this point. If you believe the CM is guilty, and I believe he's not, then it's probably good that none of us is on the jury, where preconceived notions are a no-no. If it goes to trial, we'll see what happens...
 
Jekyll

Jekyll

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slappy magoo said:
But it would also have to be proven that the CM intentionally hit the kid. No peripheral vision, no way of knowing how close he was to the kid's head, a defending attorney could easily make the argument that the CM was jujst trying to get away from the kid, especially if he was also able to successfully argue that the kid was doing something behind the CM's back. And imho, the way "Tigger" whips his arm around the kid's arm makes me think he was trying to get away from the kid more than trying to b-slap the kid. Regardless, in a court of law, intent would be an issue. The CM could still be possibly be found negligent, but carelessly so, not criminally so.
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That just what happen in the bad touch tigger event. The CM was found not guilty because there was no was he could see the girl to touch her in a bad way.
 
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isitingood

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slappy magoo said:
But it would also have to be proven that the CM intentionally hit the kid. No peripheral vision, no way of knowing how close he was to the kid's head, a defending attorney could easily make the argument that the CM was jujst trying to get away from the kid, especially if he was also able to successfully argue that the kid was doing something behind the CM's back. And imho, the way "Tigger" whips his arm around the kid's arm makes me think he was trying to get away from the kid more than trying to b-slap the kid. Regardless, in a court of law, intent would be an issue. The CM could still be possibly be found negligent, but carelessly so, not criminally so.

At this point, we all have our opinion on what went on. I can't speak for everyone, but I personally don't think I have any sort of "blind love" for WDW that prevents me from finding the company or its CMs faulty or negligent if something goes wrong. If they do something wrong, especially if it involves injuring a guest, I'm gonna be angry about it. I base my opinion on what I've seen in this situation based on the video, and subsequent interviews with the family. They don't strike me as being completely honest about the situation. I don't think the slap was intentional, I don't think it was based on any anger the CM felt,but rather a self-defensive attempt to extricate himself from a painful, perhaps dangerous situation (if he were choking, I'm sure he wouldn't want to pass out on the little ones in front of him). I don't think the Monacos planned this in advance, but they saw a chance to milk this situation and decided to go for it. I find it really hard to believe that, 30 hours after the incident, after refusing medical service, and spending more time on rides, the kid suddenly realized he was in crippling pain from that slap and needed to go to the hospital. I think this would be thrown out of a preliminary hearing, based on that fact alone (again, a defense attorney could argue, who knows what this kid has done in the past 30 hours that could contribute to his pain?) And if WDW can provide any security video where you see the kid after the incident being physical or entering an attraction, it will totally shut down that argument). The Monacos would be doing themselves a favor by letting this go, but now they can't. They're already going to be the laughingstock of their hometown. The best they can hope for is to at least try to weasel some money out of it.

Eh, nothing I'm going to say will sway anyone's opinion at this point. If you believe the CM is guilty, and I believe he's not, then it's probably good that none of us is on the jury, where preconceived notions are a no-no. If it goes to trial, we'll see what happens...
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Trying to get away from the kid? He grabs the kid in a arm lock so I would think it was more to keep his balance then anything else. It's hard to say if the CM knew it was a kid next to him because the video really doesn't show but I would think he knew since the dad was doing the filming and the mother was on the ground. Like I said in my earlier post a minor was hit so the police can get involved weather the CM meant to hit him or not. I do think the Monacos are milking this and hopefully the truth will prevail because I do believe Tigger is innocent.
 
wedway71

wedway71

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isitingood said:
It doesn't matter if the kid hit him afterwards you cannot hit a minor period! I didn't hear any verbal abuse by the kid either. As for character defamation and slander that will have to be proven first and hopefully it will be because I still think Tigger is innocent all I was trying to say is that the police can get involved because it was a minor.
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If Tigger was acting in self defense(getting choked) he has the legal right to defend himself even if the attacker was a minor.Same situation if im walking down the street and a bunch of punks who are 16 or 17(minors)pull a knife or jump me I have the legal right to defend myself and use force if needed.

Granted Tigger wasnt being jumped by a bunch of hoodlems but if he was in fact being choked that would indicate a reason to justify using force even though I see no evidence of him doing anything but pushing the kid way and maybe accidently swiping his face.
 
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isitingood

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wedway71 said:
If Tigger was acting in self defense(getting choked) he has the legal right to defend himself even if the attacker was a minor.Same situation if im walking down the street and a bunch of punks who are 16 or 17(minors)pull a knife or jump me I have the legal right to defend myself and use force if needed.

Granted Tigger wasnt being jumped by a bunch of hoodlems but if he was in fact being choked that would indicate a reason to justify using force even though I see no evidence of him doing anything but pushing the kid way and maybe accidently swiping his face.
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Look at the video, the CM isn't pushing the kid away. A knife has nothing to do with this or even close to it. There's no proof yet that the CM was being choked but it's obvious something happened for the CM to react that way.
 
hokielutz

hokielutz

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wedway71 said:
Granted Tigger wasnt being jumped by a bunch of hoodlems but if he was in fact being choked that would indicate a reason to justify using force even though I see no evidence of him doing anything but pushing the kid way and maybe accidently swiping his face.
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It seems like Tigger used "disarming force" to get away from whatever the kid was doing behind his back.

Also... the press has been kinda quiet the last couple of days. Any further news from Orlando?
 
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jrobb

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i heard from someone who knows someone who knows someone that the lawyer committed suicide when he realized he had no case and wasn't going to get paid.
 
wedway71

wedway71

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isitingood said:
Look at the video, the CM isn't pushing the kid away. A knife has nothing to do with this or even close to it. There's no proof yet that the CM was being choked but it's obvious something happened for the CM to react that way.
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You are correct in the fact that as of now there is no proof legally of what happened as far as him being choked or not.
I was commenting on your statement about not being allowed to hit a minor period.I was using an example of one of many ways someone can legally defend themself even if a person is a minor.I didnt implicate that Jerry Monaco had a knife or anything like that at all.
IF he was in fact choking Tigger than yes Tigger would have acted withing his legal right to defend himself.
 
BwanaBob

BwanaBob

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I just have one request.......


*ahem*



As soon as the SD makes a statement, someone make a new thread!

Then we'll close it right away and continue talking about it on this thread...

That way I don't have to search through PAGES of opinions.

...not that I don't like reading other's opinions... just not 800!!

:D
 
mrtoad

mrtoad

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I agree. I keep checking back for more info but everytime it is just more of the same posts. Again, not bad for people to talk about I just don't have the time to read them all and want to know what the outcome is.

BwanaBob said:
I just have one request.......


*ahem*



As soon as the SD makes a statement, someone make a new thread!

Then we'll close it right away and continue talking about it on this thread...

That way I don't have to search through PAGES of opinions.

...not that I don't like reading other's opinions... just not 800!!

:D
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