Tigger Punches Guest??

[figmentmom]

Does anyone know if there was a Photopass photographer or a character escort nearby?

There HAD to have been a character attendant nearby, but my guess is that the whole thing happened so fast that there was no time for him/her to react. He or she may have been distracted by other families lining up to have their pictures taken with Tigger, too.

You know, I wish we could see what happened immediately after that video ended!

I posted this earlier, but I honestly believe that the kid did something deliberate to the back of Tigger's neck, Tigger reacted in a reflex, certainly didn't deliberately punch the teen, and immediately tried to remedy the situation. Had it been our family, I would have been mortified that my son had been up to no good - I would NEVER have thought Tigger meant to punch him! (I'll bet old Dad has a hair-trigger temper at home.)

 

[GothMickey]

Yes, if you hit someone, on purpose or by accident, you say you're sorry....that is simple manners and courtesy (2 qualities of all cast members). Consequently, if 'Tigger' is found innocent, the guests should apologize to him for blowing this up.

Ok, so when you got into fights, and you hit the person in the face, did you apologize? How many lockers were you tossed into as a kid? The CM has NOTHING to apologize about, and he shouldn't.

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Point is, if they are allowed to talk to the police department (and not just in court under oath like someone said earlier), I'd be willing to bet Disney wouldn't ban the guy from apologizing.

Actually, yes. Speaking to the police during an ongoing investigation with information pertinent to the investigation is one thing. Speaking to the accusing party, the media, or anyone else is completely another. Even other cast members not directly involved in this incident are contractually obligated not to disclose any information pertaining to the incident to the public or media outlets. Major corporations make you sign a contract stating things like this from day one. I guarantee you that some guest will ask me about it at work tomorrow, and I'll have to direct them to the press department.

 

[bayoutinkbelle]

Point is, if they are allowed to talk to the police department (and not just in court under oath like someone said earlier), I'd be willing to bet Disney wouldn't ban the guy from apologizing.

I'd be willing to bet that Disney views talking to the police during the course of an official investigation a little differently than talking to the media or anyone else about a highly publicized incident that has the potential to make them look bad.

Just my .02.

 

[bayoutinkbelle]

Whoa, Piglet. Great minds and all that ... :lol:

 

[PigletIsMyCat]

Ok, so when you got into fights, and you hit the person in the face, did you apologize? How many lockers were you tossed into as a kid? The CM has NOTHING to apologize about, and he shouldn't.

Let's also remember that while in costume, a non-face character cannot talk. So he wouldn't have been able to apologize or otherwise comment at the time of the incident.

 

[figmentmom]

Let's also remember that while in costume, a non-face character cannot talk. So he wouldn't have been able to apologize or otherwise comment at the time of the incident.

Well, EXACTLY, and my feeling is that the Cast Member involved did his best to non-verbally apologize by shaking the teen's hand and patting his back!!! What more could he have done at the time?

 

[askmike1]

Ok, so when you got into fights, and you hit the person in the face, did you apologize? How many lockers were you tossed into as a kid? The CM has NOTHING to apologize about, and he shouldn't.

Being in a fight is a little different then this. You will be hard pressed to find a bully (or anyone who starts a fight) with a lot of courtesy and good manners. Disney CMs on the other hand are known for those qualities. And just because someone should do something doesn't mean they will (and vice versa).

Let's also remember that while in costume, a non-face character cannot talk. So he wouldn't have been able to apologize or otherwise comment at the time of the incident.

Of course. If Disney does allow him to talk to the family though, he should.

 

[GothMickey]

Being in a fight is a little different then this. You will be hard pressed to find a bully (or anyone who starts a fight) with a lot of courtesy and good manners. Disney CMs on the other hand are known for those qualities. And just because someone should do something doesn't mean they will (and vice versa).


Of course. If Disney does allow him to talk to the family though, he should.

So, if you decided to pull the back of my shirt, causing the neckline of my shirt to cut into my throat, choking me, and I turned to free myself and hit you in the face, then I should apologize to YOU for hitting you when you were choking me?????? I don't get your logic. Maybe I do... a guest comes into Disney World, punches, kicks and stabs a character. The character throws a punch to defend him/her self and lands one square on the face of the agitator. The family run to the media saying WE WERE HIT BY A DISNEY CHARACTER BUT WE DID NOTHING WRONG... your logic is the CM should apologize cause, well, CMs are not human, they can't defend themselves?? Mike, you make no sense buddy.. Stay silent before you put more of your foot in your mouth.

 

[askmike1]

So, if you decided to pull the back of my shirt, causing the neckline of my shirt to cut into my throat, choking me, and I turned to free myself and hit you in the face, then I should apologize to YOU for hitting you when you were choking me?????? I don't get your logic.

Again IF the CM hit the kid (accidentally or not), he should apologize. Likewise IF the kid was doing something wrong (accidentally or not), he should apologize. This isn't junior high, this is for the CM a place of work and for the guest a place to [appropriately] have fun.

Maybe I do... a guest comes into Disney World, punches, kicks and stabs a character. The character throws a punch to defend him/her self and lands one square on the face of the agitator. The family run to the media saying WE WERE HIT BY A DISNEY CHARACTER BUT WE DID NOTHING WRONG... your logic is the CM should apologize cause, well, CMs are not human, they can't defend themselves?? Mike, you make no sense buddy.. Stay silent before you put more of your foot in your mouth.

Stabbed? Exaggeration a bit?

 

[imagineer boy]

Now folks, let's calm down. You know, sometimes when I become down and sad, I sing this song to cheer me up: *harmonizes*

Lawyers and salesmen
and spam on the grill.
Cute bouncing babies with
long strands of spill.
Barney and Clowns in the
parade!
These things I ponder when I am afraid!

Paintings of children with really
huge eyeballs.
Big cubby cats coughing
up hairballs.
Paul Harvey's head crushing
bugs with a spade!
These things I ponder when I am afraid!

Micheal Jackson, Leonard Maltin, and those Olsen Twins!

Just ponder these thoughts
when fear has you insnared. And it
will turn your frowns to grins!

:dazzle:

 

[Wbnemo1]

ok,
I wasnt going to post to thread, but a few things I have seen were also stated here. I'm also a fellow CM, I have a bit of a problem with what I've seen on the video. I 'd like to think I take in the whole picture on things before making any kind of assessment( it's my other job!). Anyway, the one thing I noticed is Tigger is indeed all calm and ready/posed for picture. Then the third son is told to get into the picture. this 14 year old(as stated) reaches in with one hand and almost immediatly I see that Tiggers head is moved up and the CM reacts grabing his head(tigger head), clearly indicating a problem with the head gear or head in some form or another. The young man ( term used loosely) has most likely grabed the back of the head or zipper and pulled in a downward motion, this is why in the video you can clearly see the head of Tigger go upward as if by "Magic". Now if this is done it is also my understanding I will tend to cut off the air to the CM. The quick response of the CM to right the situation,keeping in mind little or no air at the moment, is first to clutch/ imobilize the arm causing the trouble, then to turn away from what ever is causing the trouble , in this case toward the guest to free the guest's arm from his back. In doing so, Tigger accidentally brushed the childs face while going for his shoulder of the threatening arm/hand. Agreeing with some others here, I don't think Tigger/ CM ever even saw the child.

Here's a thought. To show how limeted vision could be in this costume try this experiment, granted it's just an idea..but will totally get the point accross. Assuming you have one to your availablity, grab a decent sized box and cut a "oval" hole in it the size of a potato or thereabouts. Now but it over you head and look through it making sure or imagining everything is pitch black except for this vision hole. you can see pretty good right?.....great! now move the box forward which will move the front of the box/vision hole away from you and the back of the box torward the back of your head . So, how much can you see now? This is how I imagine Tigger see's. This whole thing has totally gone nuts...ohh sorry if this was posted before...just my meeger thoughts on the issue
Sincerely,
Will....aka BABS

 

[ConstanceIrene]

I watched the latest report on this fiasco a couple of hours ago on a major New York News Station. The anchorperson couldn't even contain himself and cracked up laughing. He said that we need to remember that this is a "big stuffed animal" and asked where people's priorities were in this case.

I applauded the television!

Free Tigger!!!!!!!!

 

[GothMickey]

Again IF the CM hit the kid (accidentally or not), he should apologize. Likewise IF the kid was doing something wrong (accidentally or not), he should apologize. This isn't junior high, this is for the CM a place of work and for the guest a place to [appropriately] have fun.

Stabbed? Exaggeration a bit?

Askmike, seriously... Why should the CM apologize for a SELF DEFENSE move? Again, you walk up next to me, pull the back of my shirt, causing the neckline to cut into my throat and thus choking me... I, in turn, try to defend myself by twisting out of your grasp so I can breath, and ACCIDENTLY hit you... Why do I have to apologize when YOU caused my reaction?

Same issue here... This kid grabbed Tigger's costume, cutting off the air of the CM... He defended himself my grasping the kid's arm and turning away to free himself from this grasp... He ACCIDENTLY hit the POOR TRAUMATIZED teen.... Now, Mike, think logically here, WHY DOES THE CM HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR DEFENDING HIMSELF?? This was all on the kid.. The kid and his father should apologize... And not for nothing, the family GOT apologizes already.... They should now take there hides and burrow back into their little hole and not be heard from again....

And you think I was over exaggerating by saying a character was stabbed? Well, using YOUR logic, if a guy shoots me and I shoot back, or if someone hits me and I hit back, the I, THE VICTIM, has to apologize for the punk's behavior. The father should apologize to his kid for being a media, money hungry loser.

 

[disneydata]

ok,
I wasnt going to post to thread, but a few things I have seen were also stated here. I'm also a fellow CM, I have a bit of a problem with what I've seen on the video. I 'd like to think I take in the whole picture on things before making any kind of assessment( it's my other job!). Anyway, the one thing I noticed is Tigger is indeed all calm and ready/posed for picture. Then the third son is told to get into the picture. this 14 year old(as stated) reaches in with one hand and almost immediatly I see that Tiggers head is moved up and the CM reacts grabing his head(tigger head), clearly indicating a problem with the head gear or head in some form or another. The young man ( term used loosely) has most likely grabed the back of the head or zipper and pulled in a downward motion, this is why in the video you can clearly see the head of Tigger go upward as if by "Magic". Now if this is done it is also my understanding I will tend to cut off the air to the CM. The quick response of the CM to right the situation,keeping in mind little or no air at the moment, is first to clutch/ imobilize the arm causing the trouble, then to turn away from what ever is causing the trouble , in this case toward the guest to free the guest's arm from his back. In doing so, Tigger accidentally brushed the childs face while going for his shoulder of the threatening arm/hand. Agreeing with some others here, I don't think Tigger/ CM ever even saw the child.

Here's a thought. To show how limeted vision could be in this costume try this experiment, granted it's just an idea..but will totally get the point accross. Assuming you have one to your availablity, grab a decent sized box and cut a "oval" hole in it the size of a potato or thereabouts. Now but it over you head and look through it making sure or imagining everything is pitch black except for this vision hole. you can see pretty good right?.....great! now move the box forward which will move the front of the box/vision hole away from you and the back of the box torward the back of your head . So, how much can you see now? This is how I imagine Tigger see's. This whole thing has totally gone nuts...ohh sorry if this was posted before...just my meeger thoughts on the issue
Sincerely,
Will....aka BABS

Will to the rescue! You are awesome!

 

[askmike1]

Askmike, seriously... Why should the CM apologize for a SELF DEFENSE move? Again, you walk up next to me, pull the back of my shirt, causing the neckline to cut into my throat and thus choking me... I, in turn, try to defend myself by twisting out of your grasp so I can breath, and ACCIDENTLY hit you... Why do I have to apologize when YOU caused my reaction?

Again, self defense is much different then accident. Hitting someone in self defense (ie, they hit you, you hit them back) in general doesn't warrant an apology (mind you, it would make one the bigger person if (s)he did). An accidental hit on the other hand (which the union is claiming) does warrant an apology.

 

[mdisney]

Again, self defense is much different then accident. Hitting someone in self defense (ie, they hit you, you hit them back) in general doesn't warrant an apology (mind you, it would make one the bigger person if (s)he did). An accidental hit on the other hand (which the union is claiming) does warrant an apology.

Watch the video Tigger shakes the boys hand at the end of it. A hand shake can be a nonverbal apology.

 

[imagineer boy]

I watched the latest report on this fiasco a couple of hours ago on a major New York News Station. The anchorperson couldn't even contain himself and cracked up laughing. He said that we need to remember that this is a "big stuffed animal" and asked where people's priorities were in this case.

I applauded the television!

Free Tigger!!!!!!!!

Ha ha!!! That's great!:lol:

 

[wdwishes2005]

Tigger is unsafe and needs to be toned down like Mission space. There will now be tigger green for those who think being touched on the face causes enough harm to require a hospital visit.

 

[imagineer boy]

Tigger is unsafe and needs to be toned down like Mission space. There will now be tigger green for those who think being touched on the face causes enough harm to require a hospital visit.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :sohappy: And to top it off, each Tigger meet n' greet will have audio voices in the background saying "This is fun!" "I love Tigger, he's the greatest!" to ease the fear of being attacked.