Tigger Is Innocent!

[goofy's revenge]

The boy and his dad were on CBS's national show this morning. I watched this over and over and I think Tigger didn't even throw a punch. Looks more like a push to me. I mean it can't be easy to see in those costumes with no peripheral vision and all. I think the CM felt he/she was losing their balance and simply tried to stop the reason they were being pulled. These people can act all self righteous if they want but I'm sure Tigger woke up that day saying to himself "Today's the day I punch a dorky teenager". Give me a break the kid did something to provoke a reaction. That's all it was " a reaction ".

 

[mdisney]

tigger also shook the boys hand at the end.

 

[Disneyfan1981]

I just hope this family's fifteen minutes of fame will be up soon and they will enjoy the free trip back to WDW that I'm sure they got with all the bells and whistles included. Its ridiculous that this is even news, IMHO

 

[HntdMansionFan]

If that had happened to me when I was a kid, the first thing my Dad would have asked me was what I did to cause that. Some parents today don't believe that their "little angels" would ever do anything wrong, and if something does happen, it must be someone elses fault.:brick:

 

[svickersart]

I saw the video on one of the local morning shows (Sac California) this weekend and they played it several times. A lot of people were emailing why they felt this happened. I think the little snot was trying to pull Tiggers head off, when the CM felt it he/she tried to pull away and push the brat away at the same time. The kids hand was stuck in the costum and it pulled him off balance and since there is limited visability in the costum as the CM was attemting to push him away the hand of the costum made contact with his face. I think the dad was behind all of this, I think he told sonny boy to try to pull off Tiggers head and things backfired a bit and now they want to make a buck out of it. I think these people might be a bit more suited for one of the other theme park companies out there, I can think of one thats getto enough for them. I hope Disney bans them for life from all of the Disney parks, we dont need scammers like this floating around trying to ruin our good times.
Steve

 

[DisneyWood]

I saw the video on one of the local morning shows (Sac California) this weekend and they played it several times. A lot of people were emailing why they felt this happened. I think the little snot was trying to pull Tiggers head off, when the CM felt it he/she tried to pull away and push the brat away at the same time. The kids hand was stuck in the costum and it pulled him off balance and since there is limited visability in the costum as the CM was attemting to push him away the hand of the costum made contact with his face. I think the dad was behind all of this, I think he told sonny boy to try to pull off Tiggers head and things backfired a bit and now they want to make a buck out of it. I think these people might be a bit more suited for one of the other theme park companies out there, I can think of one thats getto enough for them. I hope Disney bans them for life from all of the Disney parks, we dont need scammers like this floating around trying to ruin our good times.
Steve

I think banning for life may be a little harsh. Everyone makes mistakes, and if the child is doing this for kicks & giggles, then he should be disciplined by the parents & an apology should be issued to Tigger. The father seems to be taking this to a new level. I don't think I am seeing the same thing he sees on the video. It is apparent that the child is doing something before Tigger backs away & tries to get loose. I don't think this was a pre-conceived plan by his father. What father would want his oldest child to unmask a character in front of his younger children? What a horrifying experience for the children. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this matter. Now, taking to this level, I don't know what other motive he could have besides money. If all he wanted is an apology from Tigger, then the hoopla wouldn't be what it is today.

Isn't there another CM on duty w/ the characters? Where were they? They are typically right on the scene & to quell these issues before they start.

I definitely think that they are trying to extort money from Disney by threatening lawsuit. This entire situation is sickening in every way. I hope Disney fights this to full, and fully re-instates the suspended CM.

I wish our court system had a common sense factor before it allows lawsuits to go forward...

 

[Tramp]

I heard reports this morning that the kid was trying to unzip Tigger. This would make total sense when one considers how abruptly Tigger turned to intervene in the prank. The wise-a$$ kid was obviously doing something behind Tigger to provoke such a response.

The father and his sissy-boy need to be clocked in the face just so they know the difference between a punch and a push.

If Disney caves to any financial settlement because of this, I'd be really disappointed. In fact, Disney should sue THEM on the basis that the kid was trying to sabotage the image. Had he been successful in removing the skin or the head, a lot of kids in the area would have had the magic destroyed.

I hope the CM walks away from this unscathed.

 

[Master Yoda]

I heard reports this morning that the kid was trying to unzip Tigger. This would make total sense when one considers how abruptly Tigger turned to intervene in the prank. The wise-a$$ kid was obviously doing something behind Tigger to provoke such a response.

The father and his sissy-boy need to be clocked in the face just so they know the difference between a punch and a push.

If Disney caves to any financial settlement because of this, I'd be really disappointed. In fact, Disney should sue THEM on the basis that the kid was trying to sabotage the image. Had he been successful in removing the skin or the head, a lot of kids in the area would have had the magic destroyed.

I hope the CM walks away from this unscathed.

I hope the CM walks away from this with this with a fat civil suit judgement against the Monaco family. Out off the people claiming to be victim the only real victim I see here is the CM that is now on suspension without pay because some punk thought he could be funny.

 

[Since1976]

It was clear to me on my very first viewing of this video that Tigger's "punch" was a defensive/reflexive move meant to keep himself from losing his balance or his costume's mask. Looked more like a push than a punch to me.

My gut feeling is that, after his reported suspension, the truth of the video will come out and the CM will merely be transferred to another department.

As a sidenote, even if the CM were to blame, it would be insane to sue Disney over this matter. If any company has clear and strict rules about employee behavior, it's Disney. So, any fault would be on the employee. But, of course, a lowly employee has no money, and no lawyer would bother pursuing a case against them. Disney is the larger, easy target. Hmmmph.

 

[CelticRose]

I can think of one thats getto enough for them. Steve

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I hope Disney bans them for life from all of the Disney parks, we dont need scammers like this floating around trying to ruin our good times. Steve

Well hopefully now that this video of the kid and his family has been on TV all the other parks will post his picture at the front gate and ban the Little Richard Cranium and the rest of the Cranium family altogether.

:sohappy: FREE TIGGER FREE TIGGER FREE TIGGER:sohappy:

:sohappy: REINSTATE THE CM:sohappy:

Yes Richard Cranium will be used by a lot of us now:lol: :lol:

 

[Snapper Bean]

As a sidenote, even if the CM were to blame, it would be insane to sue Disney over this matter. If any company has clear and strict rules about employee behavior, it's Disney. So, any fault would be on the employee. But, of course, a lowly employee has no money, and no lawyer would bother pursuing a case against them. Disney is the larger, easy target. Hmmmph.

Disney's strict rules would be irrelevant in a lawsuit related to this matter. The incident occurred within the scope of his employment (posing for pictures with guests). Under those circumstances, the employer is legally responsible for the conduct of his employee.

 

[Eyorefan]

Disney's strict rules would be irrelevant in a lawsuit related to this matter. The incident occurred within the scope of his employment (posing for pictures with guests). Under those circumstances, the employer is legally responsible for the conduct of his employee.

I have to disagree. If an employee is acting in direct violation of a company's work rules they aren't liable in a law suit like that. Unless, of course, you can prove that this sort of thing goes on all the time and is ignored by management, thus making the work rules void. I don't think you can say that Disney routinely ignores their CMs assaulting their guests.

 

[Snapper Bean]

I have to disagree. If an employee is acting in direct violation of a company's work rules they aren't liable in a law suit like that. Unless, of course, you can prove that this sort of thing goes on all the time and is ignored by management, thus making the work rules void. I don't think you can say that Disney routinely ignores their CMs assaulting their guests.

You're free to disagree. I feel confident that I am correct.

 

[pinkrose]

I heard reports this morning that the kid was trying to unzip Tigger. This would make total sense when one considers how abruptly Tigger turned to intervene in the prank. The wise-a$$ kid was obviously doing something behind Tigger to provoke such a response.

The father and his sissy-boy need to be clocked in the face just so they know the difference between a punch and a push.

If Disney caves to any financial settlement because of this, I'd be really disappointed. In fact, Disney should sue THEM on the basis that the kid was trying to sabotage the image. Had he been successful in removing the skin or the head, a lot of kids in the area would have had the magic destroyed.

I hope the CM walks away from this unscathed.

Yes! (and I totally agree with everything you said)

 

[Master Yoda]

You're free to disagree. I feel confident that I am correct.

I am pretty sure you are correct. Especially when an employee is on the clock the employer will ultimately be responsible for his/her actions when it becomes a matter of monetary damages.

 

[Figments Friend]

I hope the CM walks away from this with this with a fat civil suit judgement against the Monaco family. Out off the people claiming to be victim the only real victim I see here is the CM that is now on suspension without pay because some punk thought he could be funny.

:sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

I TOTALLY agree with the above statement!

Well said Master Yoda!

 

[pinkrose]

I hope the CM walks away from this with this with a fat civil suit judgement against the Monaco family. Out off the people claiming to be victim the only real victim I see here is the CM that is now on suspension without pay because some punk thought he could be funny.

Me too

 

[Eyorefan]

You're free to disagree. I feel confident that I am correct.

There are exseptions to every rule. I don't see Disney being legally resposable in this case. That doesn't mean that people don't sue for that kind of thing all the time, and it certainly doesn't mean that the company won't pay to settle it out of court.

 

[eroyee]

:wave: I saw the video and the CBS morning show. There was no punch at all. Only a hand trying to push the kid off or to balance himself (Tigger). Shame on CBS for putting the totally ignorant Cranium family on tv, and shame on the shyster lawyer for taking the case. Unfortunately, his last name must be cranium too!! I wish the CM could file a civil lawsuit or something. would teach them right. I agree....that kid needs a trip to the woodshed!!!:fork:

 

[MainSt1993]

I have to disagree. If an employee is acting in direct violation of a company's work rules they aren't liable in a law suit like that. Unless, of course, you can prove that this sort of thing goes on all the time and is ignored by management, thus making the work rules void. I don't think you can say that Disney routinely ignores their CMs assaulting their guests.

Nope. The employer is liable for the actions of its employees while they are on the clock. For instance, exhaustive background checks and pre-employment drug screens are liability limiters. But lets say a UPS driver has some beers with lunch, and causes an accident with a UPS truck while making deliveries. One of the many things that would likely come of that incident would be a suit against UPS. They would have limited their liability with the pre-employment tests and in many other ways I'm sure, but that would just shield them from gross negligence.

To give an example from Disney, imagine you board a ride vehicle, but the station CM dispatches the vehicle before you've sat down, and as a result you fall get injured. Disney would be held liable in that situation as well. Just because it's contrary to the ride system operating procedures doesn't mean you can't hold them accountable for hurting you.