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News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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TP2000
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Agree with all of that.
But aside from the showboat finale' scene, most of the Splash Mountain spaces are tight and confined and don't have room for big AA scenes like Pirate's Auction Scene, or the Haunted Mansion graveyard or ballroom, etc.
Which brings me to another thought on this remake. I really do wonder if the sets themselves will change in size and shape. Will it really just be the exact same flume through the exact same rooms and scenes just redressed into Tiana?
Or will they take this time to reconfigure existing rooms and sets to create all-new spaces that look nothing like what we know/remember from Splash Mountain?
I really hope its the latter. Or else YouTube is going to be full of videos doing Tiana ride-thrus with the old Splash Mountain audio overlaid onto those exact same places. And that will make TBA look really tacky and cheap.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
Bingo.
It's that kind of stuff that concerns a lot of us about this current WDI generation.
Today's Imagineers seem to be really excited to talk about themselves and how brilliantly they approach their work and how important and meaningful it all is, but then when we see that actual work as paying customers.... er...
nickys
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aladdin2007
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I feel like very much reconfigured to use less space than before, (walled off or blacked out) watch it become much more one sided (like frozen) instead of surrounding both sides. I doubt very little anything will be recognizable except the flume path. Would love to be wrong. Its going to be interesting to see how they handle the laughin place after the drop.....and especially at Disneyland doesn't that one have more rooms or tunnels than ours?Agree with all of that.
But aside from the showboat finale' scene, most of the Splash Mountain spaces are tight and confined and don't have room for big AA scenes like Pirate's Auction Scene, or the Haunted Mansion graveyard or ballroom, etc.
Which brings me to another thought on this remake. I really do wonder if the sets themselves will change in size and shape. Will it really just be the exact same flume through the exact same rooms and scenes just redressed into Tiana?
Or will they take this time to reconfigure existing rooms and sets to create all-new spaces that look nothing like what we know/remember from Splash Mountain?
I really hope its the latter. Or else YouTube is going to be full of videos doing Tiana ride-thrus with the old Splash Mountain audio overlaid onto those exact same places. And that will make TBA look really tacky and cheap.
donaldtoo
Well-Known Member
Bingo.
It's that kind of stuff that concerns a lot of us about this current WDI generation.
Today's Imagineers seem to be really excited to talk about themselves and how brilliantly they approach their work and how important and meaningful it all is, but then when we see that actual work as paying customers.... er...
Yep, this…
If ya’ hafta’ continually tell people how brilliant you are, chances are, you’re not.
I don’t remember the older Imagineers doing anything like this.
I’ve seen interviews with many of them over the years. They all seemed very modest, and also talked about how many failures they had before achieving success regarding story, designs, engineering, etc. I remember an interview with Bob Gurr regarding opening day at Disneyland (we all know how much of a near disaster that was), and he was talking about how the Autopia cars kept breaking down, etc.
Walt didn’t heap praise on his employees…he hired them to do a job, and expected it done.
I remember a story about a young Imagineer proudly approaching Walt and an associate (John Hench, IIRC) to show him his design option for a new project. Walt inspected it for a few moments and then replied something like… “Hmmm. That’s OK, but, it’s hard to choose between just one option.”…!!!!!
There were no participation trophies and “You are special…!!!” praise in that world.
You did the job you were paid to do, and went home at the end of the day with that satisfaction.
MerlinTheGoat
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According to a claim from Splash Archive, they're repurposing the small boat currently/formerly occupied by a dog AA and the area itself for a new scene in Tiana. One of the previous pieces of art with Tiana and Naveen in a boat where she's holding a lantern. I expect the set dressing to go through a lot of changes, but the room structures i'm not sure about.
In the scenes following the first Slippin Falls drop (all the How Do You Do scenes), Disneyland has fewer separating walls than WDW. You can see a lot of the show scenes through one another as the track winds and twists its way through this level. It's hard to really say if there are "more" rooms at Disneyland when it's all one large interconnected room that you can see everything through. WDW's walls are painted with bright sunny countryside scenery, and the sets are designed with more forced perspective elements to make them seem like they stretch out farther than they actually do.
After the second real drop, things also get a bit different. The dark room with the spinning beehives is its own level at WDW, and there's another decent sized minor drop after that sends you down to the proper Laughing Place. There's barely a drop at Disneyland here at all, maybe a foot tall or so at most. It's basically all sort of just one long tunnel with a couple of curves. This tunnel seems to stretch out a bit longer at DL too, with an additional scene just before the final lift with the Rabbit family and the Burrow.
James Alucobond
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This seems revisionist. There was plenty of puffery about Disney in the past as well. What do you suppose the purpose of Walt Disney Presents and its many successor series was? You’re comparing folks in memoir mode to people actively employed by Disney who presumably want to retain their employment for years to come.Yep, this…
If ya’ hafta’ continually tell people how brilliant you are, chances are, you’re not.
I don’t remember the older Imagineers doing anything like this.
I’ve seen interviews with many of them over the years. They all seemed very modest, and also talked about how many failures they had before achieving success regarding story, designs, engineering, etc. I remember an interview with Bob Gurr regarding opening day at Disneyland (we all know how much of a near disaster that was), and he was talking about how the Autopia cars kept breaking down, etc.
Walt didn’t heap praise on his employees…he hired them to do a job, and expected it done.
I remember a story about a young Imagineer proudly approaching Walt and an associate (John Hench, IIRC) to show him his design option for a new project. Walt inspected it for a few moments and then replied something like… “Hmmm. That’s OK, but, it’s hard to choose between just one option.”…!!!!!
There were no participation trophies and “You are special…!!!” praise in that world.
You did the job you were paid to do, and went home at the end of the day with that satisfaction.
That show came on every week and had something new to say. The difference is, they had the evidence to back it up.
Now you wait a year to hear things are still coming. And there are a lot more resources these days to make it happen.
James Alucobond
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Quality and pace of the work notwithstanding, you can’t pretend they weren’t always intent on promoting the company and glorifying the creativity of Imagineering. There was always a mystique that was central to their image. You can argue whether or not it is warranted any longer, but you can’t expect them to get up on stage at a marketing event and denigrate themselves or act self-effacing when the content of a specific talk doesn’t call for that sort of tone.
donaldtoo
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Not revisionist to me at all. I’ve watched many of those old shows. Two I can specifically comment on are the “Disneyland” tv show episodes “Man and the Moon” and “Man in Space”. I’ve rewatched them many times.
If any “puffery” was done it was by Walt himself…he was trying to sell his product, as that was his job.
Again, I was commenting on the older imagineers, not the company or Walt.
Watch those episodes, and the Imagineers actually seemed kinda’ boring, and there was definitely no “puffery” from them.
No one said they were not. That was a part of great TV weekly and new things were constnatly shared.
A once a year situation where you brag on what you have already done for half of it is not really comparable.
Most of the announcements this year, were the ones announced last year without much more commitment or anything of value vs weekly tv in the 1950s/60s.
You can't deny they are standing on shoulders without nearly as much effort and far more resources.
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James Alucobond
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Who are we talking about exactly? Hardly anyone from Imagineering was on stage for any appreciable amount of time during the main presentation.
No Name
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And this makes them even more out of touch than I expected!
Really? Maybe you missed it. There were three within the main hour.
But the situation as a whole is not dependent on the few Imagineers there. The rest were execs going "Believe me" and "trust us" with "this is the best company"
James Alucobond
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I saw them, but as I said, they were not on stage for that long, and they were not acting in the manner the poster I was responding to described. He or she said it was fine for Walt to hype up what they were doing in the days of old, so I assumed they were at least theoretically fine with Bob and Josh doing it too; instead, they said the Imagineers of today were overly self-congratulatory. I didn't see it there, so I'm wondering who we're talking about.
Josh and Bob definitely have that. Bob was there in video. Josh said over twenty times how great their company was. That is different than explaining what greatness the people of the company are gojng to do.
The main Imagineers definitely had a presence of self congratulatory scripted that is different from letting them actually talk about what they are working on in the old shows you mentioned.
Certainly a difference. I find the poster's points valid.
James Alucobond
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I suppose you're entitled to feel however you feel, but the refusal to point out who in Imagineering is doing this and what they actually said that was offensive relative to how Imagineers "used to" behave is odd to me. Regardless, this has gone off topic and I imagine asking a third time will just produce further unrelated content, so I'll leave it at that.
Mike S
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It seems to be an issue with entertainment as a whole. They think people actually care about them as individuals but in reality for most people it’s more like the relationship that existed between royalty and court jesters: succeed in entertaining us or it’s off with your head (metaphorically) for all we care. Of course though this changes for those that have proven themselves like the Steven Spielbergs and Tony Baxters of the world.Bingo.
It's that kind of stuff that concerns a lot of us about this current WDI generation.
Today's Imagineers seem to be really excited to talk about themselves and how brilliantly they approach their work and how important and meaningful it all is, but then when we see that actual work as paying customers.... er...
I've only seen Cinderella. Wasn't interested in the rest.
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