MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That would be an admission of failure and bad decisions though. Just let the guests suffer

A failure is a failure no matter the labels

This appears to be “comprehensive”

If this were any other ride at a Disney Park there would significantly more blowback from social media and regular media about the atrocious reliability of this attraction.

I am shocked from a quality standpoint that this level of quality and poor show has been allowed to continue to go on and that so many seem to be ok with it.

Are you saying that a PR stunt affects how it’s discussed?

 

[monothingie]

Are you saying that a PR stunt affects how it’s discussed?

On top of the already high ticket prices, guests are presumably paying upwards of $30 or more per person up to 21 days out (7+14 for resort guests purchasing MLLP) to have an opportunity to ride this mess that may not often work for more than half the day.

It’s wrong. It reflects so poorly on what Disney used to offer guests in terms of quality and experiences.

We heard so much about the necessity to replace the predecessor of TBA but there has been nothing from most of the same people about the atrocious quality and reliability.

Teething problems happen , but when you’ve had the ride available to guests for 2 months and the problem has seemingly gotten worse and not better, a course correction is needed.

Shut it down and get it right. Limping along and band-aiding it, is not a solution.

 

[Tha Realest]

So by negative groups, you mean if @Sirwalterraleigh and @HauntedPirate and myself were there together, we could have gotten right on the ride?

Don’t you know - THN gets FOTL access to TBA.

 

[easyrowrdw]

If this were any other ride at a Disney Park there would significantly more blowback from social media and regular media about the atrocious reliability of this attraction.

I am shocked from a quality standpoint that this level of quality and poor show has been allowed to continue to go on and that so many seem to be ok with it.

I dunno. Rise had a ton of problems at open and still has problems. I remember hearing some about that at the time and fans still complain from time to time, but the "blowback" has never been about its reliability. People still line up and fork over $20+ per person to skip the line. Tiana has been open to the public for a month; Rise has been open for 4.5 years.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I dunno. Rise had a ton of problems at open and still has problems. I remember hearing some about that at the time and fans still complain from time to time, but the "blowback" has never been about its reliability. People still line up and fork over $20+ per person to skip the line. Tiana has been open to the public for a month; Rise has been open for 4.5 years.

That’s fair. Rise is probably the most advanced ride with things that could go wrong though but I agree it does still have problems most days, but that downtime seems to be fairly minimal whereas Tiana (literally a boat ride that is the same as splash just with new show scenes) can be and seems to be down for many hours every day. If it’s a sensor problem where they are turning on/off animatronic scenes you’d think that could be fixed by now.

 

[monothingie]

I dunno. Rise had a ton of problems at open and still has problems. I remember hearing some about that at the time and fans still complain from time to time, but the "blowback" has never been about its reliability. People still line up and fork over $20+ per person to skip the line. Tiana has been open to the public for a month; Rise has been open for 4.5 years.

TBA has been open for 2 months to guests and preview groups. Splash is gone and I’m not going to rehash the creative choices of TBA and frankly the reliability issue has nothing to do with that.

WDI appears to have screwed up bad and a lot of the same people who called out ROTR or other new attractions for their problems are silent on this one.

ROTR for comparison had a very rough start but continually improved its reliability. Was it perfect? No, but given the complexity of a ride system that had never been done before it got the resources and attention it needed to improve.

TBA is built on a 30 year old ride, yes there were problems with the previous ride, but they certainly weren’t as frequent and were likely aggravated by years of deferred maintenance. TBA is going in the wrong way and getting worse. Whatever problem(s) that have manifested themselves are clearly beyond tweaks and adjustments and overnight fixes.

 

[GhostHost1000]

TBA has been open for 2 months to guests and preview groups. Splash is gone and I’m not going to rehash the creative choices of TBA and frankly the reliability issue has nothing to do with that.

WDI appears to have screwed up bad and a lot of the same people who called out ROTR or other new attractions for their problems are silent on this one.

ROTR for comparison had a very rough start but continually improved its reliability. Was it perfect? No, but given the complexity of a ride system that had never been done before it got the resources and attention it needed to improve.

TBA is built on a 30 year old ride, yes there were problems with the previous ride, but they certainly weren’t as frequent and were likely aggravated by years of deferred maintenance. TBA is going in the wrong way and getting worse. Whatever problem(s) that have manifested themselves are clearly beyond tweaks and adjustments and overnight fixes.

When the parks need more attractions, they replace one that has less operational time than the popular one it replaced. This also greatly impacts LLs. Basically they have spent millions and gone backwards. Brilliant

 

[Figments Friend]

There's a ton of tie-in foods in the Confectionary and at least one expensive painting in the Town Square Theater art store.

They really went all out on everything but making a good, functioning ride.

Today’s ‘Disney’ is not about giving Guests a great Attraction experience.
It is about all the spin off products, marketing potential, merchandise, and Instagrammable moments that matter now.
And themed food items tied to said Attraction.

They seem to forget that if you give Guests a stellar experience, all of those other things will come naturally and not feel forced.

Yes, they need to promote and exploit a Attraction to make it successful in some opinions and that is to be expected in the theme park business, but Guests know what is sincere and what is charlatan gloss.

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[easyrowrdw]

TBA has been open for 2 months to guests and preview groups. Splash is gone and I’m not going to rehash the creative choices of TBA and frankly the reliability issue has nothing to do with that.

WDI appears to have screwed up bad and a lot of the same people who called out ROTR or other new attractions for their problems are silent on this one.

ROTR for comparison had a very rough start but continually improved its reliability. Was it perfect? No, but given the complexity of a ride system that had never been done before it got the resources and attention it needed to improve.

TBA is built on a 30 year old ride, yes there were problems with the previous ride, but they certainly weren’t as frequent and were likely aggravated by years of deferred maintenance. TBA is going in the wrong way and getting worse. Whatever problem(s) that have manifested themselves are clearly beyond tweaks and adjustments and overnight fixes.

I don’t know who this refers to so I’ll have to take your word for it. There is certainly plenty of criticism here.

Yes, Rise has gotten better, but it’s been years. And I recall it took quite a while to get even to where it is now. (I hope Tiana's doesn't take as long.) I remember wondering if Disney would use the Covid shutdown to fix the ride. They didn't. It doesn't break as often anymore, but a lot of stuff is also turned off.

I agree that it is particularly egregious that Tiana’s has these problems given that it was an existing ride and seemingly nowhere near as complicated as Rise. It's pretty bad and really reflects poorly on Disney.

 

[monothingie]

I don’t know who this refers to so I’ll have to take your word for it. There is certainly plenty of criticism here.

This site is quite fair and balanced when it comes to calling balls and strikes.

What I am referring to is the YouTube/X/Facebook/Instagram crowd who either don't want to upset their access or are afraid to criticize the attraction for certain reasons.

Yes, Rise has gotten better, but it’s been years. And I recall it took quite a while to get even to where it is now. (I hope Tiana's doesn't take as long.) I remember wondering if Disney would use the Covid shutdown to fix the ride.

Rise started off very rough but improved fairly quickly. It was only open a couple of months before the shutdown but there was constant and noticeable improvement. I doubt anything major happened during the shutdown as almost everything at WDW came to a halt.

They didn't. It doesn't break as often anymore, but a lot of stuff is also turned off.

It's gone 5 years without a refurb. It's probably due, but that means shutting off the lighting lane revenue. So it will get run into the ground.

I agree that it is particularly egregious that Tiana’s has these problems given that it was an existing ride and seemingly nowhere near as complicated as Rise. It's pretty bad and really reflects poorly on Disney.

Absolutely, it needed to be better on all fronts from what was there before. Perhaps the most concerning is that this is the ride in a brand new state. I shudder to think what this thing looks like in a couple of years.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

Has enough time passed? Can we call this a turd yet?

 

[James Alucobond]

WDI appears to have screwed up bad and a lot of the same people who called out ROTR or other new attractions for their problems are silent on this one.

ROTR for comparison had a very rough start but continually improved its reliability. Was it perfect? No, but given the complexity of a ride system that had never been done before it got the resources and attention it needed to improve.

I think it’s probably less that people are intentionally hushed about it and more that virtual queueing has improved significantly since RotR such that delays and stoppages are much less experientially disruptive to the average guest. Issues were much more pronounced with the way RotR was handled (and FEA before it to even more disastrous effect with a standard queue).

 

[monothingie]

I think it’s probably less that people are intentionally hushed about it and more that virtual queueing has improved significantly since RotR such that delays and stoppages are much less experientially disruptive to the average guest. Issues were much more pronounced with the way RotR was handled (and FEA before it to even more disastrous effect with a standard queue).

Being down 7 out 12 operating hours is experientially disruptive.

I think you’re being naive to think that the heavy hand of Disney is not going to mute a lot of critical commentary. Peoples livelihood depend on the access the company provides.

 

[James Alucobond]

Being down 7 out 12 operating hours is experientially disruptive.

I think you’re being naive to think that the heavy hand of Disney is not going to mute a lot of critical commentary. Peoples livelihood depend on the access the company provides.

If it is still experiencing downtime like that when the standard queue opens, I think you'll hear about it a lot more. I suppose we'll see. With RotR, the process for getting a boarding group was so hellish that people were understandably incredibly mad if their group was cancelled. With FEA, the lines were either dispersed or became multiple hours long when an animatronic broke down. With VQ as it is now, you just go about your day normally and can probably bug someone for a compensatory pass back at the resort if your group never gets called.

 

[gerarar]

 

[bwr827]

Person briefly stands next to Tiana’s ride.

 

[Hockey89]

This was so predictable. Take one of the best rides ever and make it worse and always broken lol... Great job Disney!!!!!!

 

[Brer Oswald]

Has enough time passed? Can we call this a turd yet?

Yes.

 

[mysto]

TBA is built on a 30 year old ride, yes there were problems with the previous ride, but they certainly weren’t as frequent and were likely aggravated by years of deferred maintenance. TBA is going in the wrong way and getting worse. Whatever problem(s) that have manifested themselves are clearly beyond tweaks and adjustments and overnight fixes.

I think they must have taken bids to replace the control system, and selected the lowest bidder, resulting in this. Then they treat any on-site technical talent that could cobble it together as a fungible commodity ("we can always replace you"). This is all standard practice in American business.

I would like Disney to go above and beyond standard practice.

Tiana's control system replacement appears to be a case of the classic "I did what I was supposed to", by people at high levels who are in a position of leadership, and who don't appear to be leading.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

Yes.

Right!? It's not even a polished one. The imagineers involved should have their creative license revoked